Makers

Topic created by Poon
on Tue, 3 Dec 2024 at 19:02

Poon said on Tue, 3 Dec 2024 at 19:02...

1. Is it worth it?
2. Would you please post The Professor’s guide?

@Poon said on Thu, 5 Dec 2024 at 20:00...

In my experience, it is worth it only if you live in a place where poppers are illegal or otherwise unavailable. It will cost you more to make them at home, and unless you have a chemistry lab in your backyard, you will not achieve the same results as someone who runs even a small lab. I do it every now and then at home, but if I moved somewhere where I could just run to a local sex shop and buy them, I for sure would not bother making my own.

Poon said on Thu, 5 Dec 2024 at 21:38...

Thank you for the response. My objective would be product superior to that commercially available in the US. It sounds like this pursuit would be ill-advised.

Dr. Wang said on Sat, 7 Dec 2024 at 07:02...

@poon, did you catch my reply in "Top 3 poppers"?
It really doesn't take a large investment to try out making your own. You don't even strictly need glassware or a stir plate, just 3 items. IMHO it's far more economical than buying. Depending on your location, a $15 bottle of alcohol, $20 jar of salt, and $20 bottle of drain cleaner can produce 56 20ml bottles, with enough reagents left over to synthesize another 5+ bottles of alcohol. Large scale manufacturing, starting a business, and keeping customers happy is a different story. How much chemistry experience do you have?

Poon said on Sat, 7 Dec 2024 at 08:55...

@Dr. Wang, I have a BS in chemistry but have not worked in that field for a decade. Cost is not a major concern and I would only be making for myself.

I am in the US. I believe sourcing sodium nitrite has become increasingly difficult.

Commercial product is readily available but I am dissatisfied with the quality. I am most interested in isobutyl nitrite.

PJ said on Sat, 7 Dec 2024 at 19:13...

Many have wondered what happened to The Professor, Poon. He was a regular, and answered a lot of question from those of us with no chemical knowledge. I thought there was a link somewhere on here to his guide?

What is it about IBN that you prefer? it gives (gave actually, as it is no longer around) me a cough.

Poon said on Sat, 7 Dec 2024 at 19:46...

@PJ, I did find a link to the Professor’s guide but it is no longer functional.

I prefer IBN because amyl/pentyl, for me, provides little “rush.” I have had better experiences with isopropyl but value my eyesight.

Nonetheless I have yet to find a commercial IBN which does not yield undesirable side effects which sometimes include a cough. I have also been unable to find an IBN that gives the same euphoria that I experienced around 2005.

I am uncertain whether homemade IBN would prove superior in either regard. I have some doubts since there seems to be considerable unfulfilled demand for such a product.

Dr. Wang said on Sun, 8 Dec 2024 at 11:02...

Shit, sorry about that, I tried to use italics.

@Poon
That's great man, I would love to have a better grasp of chemistry. I'm self taught and there are hard limits to my ability, but I try (I've made carbon tetrachloride via UV photolysis using a car headlight, you can find a video of it on YouTube if you're so inclined). You can still find "Pro-Cure" sodium nitrite in the US from a bait supplier. It's listed as 99% technical grade.

Nomenclature in the poppers world is already questionable, but there are 8 isomers whose products would classify as genuine amyl nitrite. Factor in the non-IUPAC names, and I have a hard time even keeping track of what I have in my inventory. GPT says 3-methyl-butan-1-ol was the most common in the 70's. Butyl could be made from 2-methylpropan-1-ol, maybe others.

So far I've used 3-methyl-butan-1-ol, 2-methylpropan-1-ol, butan-1-ol, and isopropyl, and found none to compare to 1-pentanol in intensity and longevity, which peaks for 30 seconds and lasts 2 minutes per hit. When I hit them side by side to compare, the others feel like air.

I have other isomers on the way, among them 2-methylbutan-2-ol (2M2B, which I intend to try staight up too) and I'll post about my findings once I've tried all 7+ chems I intend to try.

If you do decide to give it a go, and I think it's worthwhile just as a side-hobby (and I'd personally like to hear your comparison to commercial products, with which I have no real experience), I'd definitely skip the butyl and start with 1-pentanol.

Mam said on Sun, 8 Dec 2024 at 17:49...

Sorry, Dr. Wang. One more thing that needs a fix.

Dr. Wang said on Mon, 9 Dec 2024 at 00:04...

No troubles Mam, thanks for deleting the other one.

Poon said on Mon, 9 Dec 2024 at 18:05...

@Dr. Wang, thank you for pointing me in the direction of Bait Cure.