surprised with the quality of some posts
Posted on Poppers Guide's Forum
Topic created by jackman
on Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 15:21
jackman said on Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 15:21...
new to this website coming to actually try poppers.
am disappointed to see this quality of posts and comments. evryone can say anything they want behind the screen without id verification.
fighting with eachother, bashing eachother, bully... anyone can praise what they want, falsly advertise too
this website is not credible in my opinion
this website need to filter and adjust their policy
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 16:22...
You would be referring to Thomas the Professor.....he attacks with a vengeance anything I have to say....he's being doing so for 10 years. The moderator has decided to allow it.
Leopard Mask said on Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 16:48...
well I have done quite a bit of 'research' and reading of various posts and forums, and Reddit is the only other place that talks about this in forum format, and its not that much better.
Nitritesepcialist and the Professor have a strange rivalry going on.
We're all mere mortals here trying to sort out this stuff.
My first experiences with poppers were...great in the act, very rough after due to what is almsot certainly post-COVID, but also not every popper has the same effects on everyone the same way, and as it is a misunderstood and misregulated substance venue, it is often hard to sort out how solid the product is.
Imagine a first time drinker buying jack daniels right away after watching a bunch of fratboys drink something and using there method as a guide, so he then chugs jack daniels!!
I find it is better to be precise about what information or conversation you want to have rather than going directly to judgement about a community.
Anon said on Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 19:01...
There is a tremendous amount of complication in making poppers that is proposed here. The process is very simple and it gets mucked up in my opinion due to poor temperate control and poor grade chemicals. If you take a look at the patents, you get a better idea of what you should do than the garbage that is posted here in anger. I am of the opinion that some people post very misleading or complicating information because they want to get in to manufacturing or are in manufacturing and are trying to protect the market.
The Professor said on Mon, 24 Apr 2023 at 19:36...
You're not very far off in your opinion anon. I know that Nitritespecialist, (aka the serial liar with many screen names, often arguing with himself) was about ready to go into production about 10 years ago.
He finally (after years of bullying his forum's members with his popper failures) made a batch that was so good he was ready to sell the house, buy a billion 10ml bottles and become the next Joe Miller.
Of course, his product turned to shit days later, as all of this pokes in the dark do, and he abandoned his group.
Nowadays, he spends most of the time poisoning himself with toxic 'fork in the power socket' disasters, all the while considering himself to be a pioneer.
This is the very same person that the OP rightly complains about trying to sabotage other makers with his lies.
There's a very wrong idea here that parents are the holy grail. That is incorrect; MOST patents describe a process that does create an alky nitrite that's suitable for (for example) diazotonation, but is not suitable for human inhalation. Hell, there are even patents for perpetual motion machines; patents are not science.
As you started, an Alkyl nitrite prep is a very simple procedure on the field of chemistry. Tuning the prep to be suitable for human inhalation is where the w
Art comes in.
It'll probably around like self-flexing here, but while Ken has been failing and grumpy about it for more than a decade, myself and a small group of like minded explorers, have been making poppers that have blissfully strong desired effects, with recovery in 5-10 minutes (no lingering after effects or feeling as though they've been poisoned)
The difference between us and Ken? While we take our chores from established chemistry, Ken simply guesses about what he thinks about what he reads will work, and when he can't find anything to misunderstand, he just makes shit up.
Like in the other topic today, where Ken lies to us, saying that isopropyl nitrite is MAGNITUDES more toxic than any other alkyl nitrite.
Anon said on Thu, 27 Apr 2023 at 17:01...
I am of the opinion that anyone in this should just get a log book and try a few methods and processes until they get satisfactory results. Make sure that you aren't changing too many things as once. I think there are gains that can be had at getting it to last longer but I think in general, if you want anything good make it fresh and on demand like the night or two before. This game of trying to preserve it I believe is very hit or miss and you are better to just make it on demand rather than try to thread a needle. Anything done right and fresh has good effects with no side effects. I feel like a lot of people are trying to do something like make a gallon of milk last 6 months instead of just milking the cow when you need milk.
The Professor said on Thu, 27 Apr 2023 at 17:38...
Yes, data logging is crucial. This entire endeavor is an exercise in critical thinking, and the backbone of critical thinking is the DIKW pyramid. Data is the D., Everything else is supposition without foundation.
I somewhat agree with your opinion regarding trying to éeek out every ever taken and holding for months rather than making on demand.
Personally, on demand is kind of a drag, even though I'm a chemist and I enjoy the process.
Not that my time is so valuable to anyone else, but making sure that I have enough free time to make and keep up with a three session per week routine, but it gets hard sometimes.
The prep I do now has enough yield to last us for at least three months if I'm busy with other projects; I don't have to do without or deal with degraded bottles.
It sounds like you're happy with your product. Have you ever taken a bottle or few and stored them over time, sampling what happens to them?
Over time, the pregnancy and aroma will swing back and forth, and finally will settle at about 15-25 days. I haven't shipped them to myself and back to check if they would need Another 15-25 days to settle again, but my bottles have a very noticable improvement in desired effects after this time. It became a part of my pay processing a couple of years ago, another reason why it's hard to just make on demand for me (the straight out of the pot stuff that I thought was the cat's meow isn't as potent as my post processed stuff.
Anyway, I guess I'm starting to ramble
Good luck with your prep!
It's nice to be hearing from another maker here that isn't the obnoxious liar and sabateur that usually posts here.