Not Quite Addicted to Poppers - What I've Learned So Far
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Topic created by Leopard Mask
on Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 17:59
Leopard Mask said on Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 17:59...
Well I think I've figured out a few things. When I first tried poppers a few months ago I LOVED it, but as I was following poppers training videos I went overboard for a beginner lol.
So OFC I experienced side effects such as low energy, some congestion and poppers 'hangover' for 2-3 days.
Tried changing to what is supposedly a more Amyl Nitrite based product from europe rather than Isobutyl, but the Pig Black, I think indirectly, gave me even worse congestion and cold, almost as if I had COVID again, which left my respiratory system vulnerable to allergies or some kind of bacterial infection. I am sure I will try something else (Double scorpio on my list next).
BUT I've done a number of things to mitigate the side effects.
1 - Eat 'something' before hand, much like what people do to minimize the ill-effects of alcohol
2 - Drink gatorade throughout and after - hydration plus electrolytes are essential!
3- have a good meal after, high Iron would be good, you need to restore the blood red cell platelets, the nature of poppers will cause some anemia.
4 - if you have sinus issues do NOT inhale from the nose or do them at all, instead try the mouth - its a bit delayed but still packs a wallop
5 - to prevent spills or accidental ingestion of the liquid (which is horrid) use the sock method or glass jar/bottle and cotton ball method instead of directly from the bottle - it still works great.
6 - if you are prone to congestions and cough, suck on some cough drops through the session
7 - take a steaming hot shower, or even better get to the sauna right after - this will fumigate your lungs better than anything.
8 - finally, consider some supplements and immunity boosters - this stuff DOES compromise the immune system - personally I am trying NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), this is a lung targeting immunity booster - 1800 mg a day within a 2 day radius of a session
Other thoughts: -
I was seriously scared I was going to get addicted to this stuff and disregard my health because yah this is fun and exciting for me. But in a lot of ways the novelty of doing poppers has kind of worn off, which I always do in a solo sex session so far. It seems like about 30-45 mins into the session, even if the hits are still strong, the poppers are kind of, meh.
I mean they are still hot, and I do feel my inhibitions really falling away. Even while NOT high on poppers I feel as if my sex-life is more free of inhibition and expanded quite a bit, but I also know there are many other ways to enhance the sexual experience, if you are creative like me that is.
But Poppers, yeh, they do have a cost and ofc a long-term one for certain people. I do not believe they are more harmful than alcohol, but perhaps on par with weed as far as side effects.
BUT just like alcohol, if you value health, know what you are getting as much as possible, make preparations and expect some level of hangover. Especially if you don't know what you are doing and totally over do it the first sessions (as i did following the poppers trainers lol).
Leopard Mask said on Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 18:19...
Oh I forgot to mention, aspirin before the session seems to help, and if the headaches gets bad after the session, ibuprofen seems to work very well and very fast for me.
Billy said on Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 22:34...
Addict gonna addict I guess
Try this for a ďtrainerĒ:
Billt said on Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 22:40...
The whole thing is golden, hereís part 2 which talks about the illness of the body and the obsession of the mind:
Speaking as a poppers abuser of 12 years, on and off, myself.
By the way one of the worst side effects popperbating has had on me is habitual dissociation. Disconnected from reality and from being able to utilise my own energy. They really are a way of speeding up your own decline!
Leopard Mask said on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 at 03:44...
And how often did you popperbate, how many times a week?
Leopard Mask said on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 at 17:27...
Aight - 2nd day after doing this pig black stuff, throat scratchy and feeling perhaps more 'sickly' than yesterday. Exactly the same pattern as last week.
Pitched the pig black in the dumpster this morning, got it from aromas eu site in france - it came up recommended for some reason.
There are many products out there that people are saying have little to no side effects, but the one I just pitched does consistently have online reviews that report throat scratchiness.
Feel free to recommend sonmething.
I am looking at Double Scorpio, although the best one is highish in price.
If the next batch I try (assuming I am not already bored with this) has similar side effects - yah I will likely let this go.
And I apprecaite the totally not-patronizing link to a 12-step program designed for alcoholics and hardcore drug addicts (also presumes a belief in god), I shall put on some more science based lectures on addictions ma dude...however your contribution is touching :D
Aurora said on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 at 21:02...
Since the old formulas were banned, I donít think they are worth doing anymore. Just my opinion : ).
Webcam said on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 at 21:17...
Really depends what you mean by the old formulas / The original formula was amyl nitrite, invented by a French doctor, and from what I have read on the forum -- the modern day equivalent is pentyl nitrite? Am I correct>?
Leopard Mask said on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 00:26...
Ya that is supposedly what I got from Europe - it says pentyl/amyl nitrite. IDK what else is in it but dat shit aint for me!
Aurora said on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 02:16...
People say it all started going south when Joe Miller died.
But what I was getting from 2012 to 2016 was superb!. Heavy arousal, swimming head sensation and an animalistic desire to keep going. Just great!
Then they banned that type in the U.K.
It really hit the spot and then some. I think it was Isobutyl,
I have no idea as I was so busy enjoying what I had hehe!
Later on I started to research more, Iíve tried pentyl but it doesnít float my boat. I always bought Brown bottle, Jungle Juice and Blue Boy. Sometimes I would get batches which had no effect.
But the brown bottle was my fave. I long for what I was getting. Things havenít been as Ö. spicy! .. since then.
Iím 38 now .. so maybe itís a blessing. ;(
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 18:35...
I have been making IPN for months and then recently switched to butyl nitrite since I bought more butanol. Last week I started feeling afraid to try my home brew because I was getting conflicting effects....weird, then good, then weird again. Then I made some more IPN and within 5 minutes I hit a horrible wall of low blood pressure and felt like shit. The first couple minutes were super intense and felt good..but it all turned to shit in 5 minutes and I got ready to call 911.
I tried 3 to 4 brews I had stored after abstaining for 3 days. They smelled bad....wouldn't relax the ass at all and made me feel bad.....SO...IMPURITIES is the problem. I've theorized this many times. What's causing the impurities? Likely reagent degradation. The alcohol and sodium nitrite can and do degrade.
I never had any off or unpleasant experience the whole time I was buying Joe Miller's poppers, circa 2008-10. And I bought them everywhere frequently. The day he died, all popper sites went down and all retail poppers were pulled from shelves. I could no longer buy them locally where I had.
When poppers became available again, they were crap. I don't get addicted to crap. Poppers are the only drug I have ever done and I have zero desire to do other drugs.
Others have said they got great poppers consistently during periods after Joe's death. I have no clue since that has not been my experience. Locker Room poppers were OK, but they didn't smell as good and effects weren't as good. And the last shipment to me was dead on arrival.
I don't know the type of popper Joe was making primarily. I don't remember any distinct odor....butyl nitrite smells like deodorized locker room and degrades to sweet bananas....plus can cave my blood pressure when impurities are present.
Isobutyl nitrite smells like sweet nail polish compounds and can cave my blood pressure when impurities are present.
Isoamyl nitrite smells slightly fruity when fresh, but quickly degrades to funky smelly bad foot odor.
N-amyl nitrite might smell more neutral and be more stable, but I have only made it, so I don't know what a 95% known purity would smell like.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 18:47...
I would add that N-amyl nitrite....based on hundreds of brews I have made over the years HAS NEVER caused me to hit a horrible wall of low blood pressure where I felt I needed to drop my head and call 911. So...in spite of all the impurities my home brew must have, n-amyl nitrite stands out as the one least likely to cause toxic side effects right away. That said, I have felt off effects from amyl nitrite. Hot flushing of the chest/face....blood pressure that seems out of whack....some fatigue....and hardly to no ass relax.....BUT nothing that made me scared and feel like total shit AS with IPN, BN and IBN.
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 14:03...
I tested a new IPN brew made using FRESH Equate 70% rubbing alcohol. It passed. What's the difference between the bad brews made with older alcohol and the new? First is odor....fresh pure alcohols produce the most aromatic poppers. Second are effects...fresh pure alcohols produce the most desirable effects WITHOUT giving the harsh toxic effects.
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 14:07...
Chemists have known for over 100 years that high grade, highly purified alcohols can and will produce very pure alkyl nitrites using sodium nitrite and acid WITHOUT the need to distill.
BUT they also found that using impure alcohols resulted in alkyl nitrites that were all over the map in terms of purity and I assume in odor and effects. There were many sources of amyl nitrite in the late 1890s and early 1900s. They tested many of these sources and found hardly any were very pure. So they studied why this was the case and they concluded it was due to impure alcohols.
This is all public info easily found on the internet.
Leopard Mask said on Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 18:20...
@Nitrite So like - what is your criteria for 'this product passes'?
Is it NO COUGH, and NO energy drop for 2-3 days?
Oh GOD that would be amazing.
So amazing - that without severe side effects, I just MIGHT get a bit addicted.
So maybe this shitty popper experience is a good thing
The Professor said on Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 20:16...
Ken said "This is all public info easily found on the internet."
great, look on that SAME internet and you'll see that alcohols in the 1900s HAD to be distilled to be useful at all (90% purity was only achievable by distillation, the periodic table was still being debated as useful or not, and science amounted to poking things with stuff to see what happened.
Much to the chagrin of pioneers like Mari Curie.
You'll also find that in the 21st century, alcohols of >90% purity can be manufactured WITHOUT distillation.
and again, of course, to completely deflate your idea (again, umpteenth time) ytoull find that the shelf life of Alcohols is 2-3 YEARS (not months as you demand.
Anyone onterested in the real science of making poppers is free to join our subreddit Poppermakers at:
ChuyWang said on Tue, 28 Feb 2023 at 08:36...
You might be interested in checking out Vhcleaners.com. They only have 2 different formulas. PL100 and PL200. If you buy the PL200, be careful not to overdo it. It's pretty strong and put me into feeling like I lost my mind. It was actually kind of scary for a little while. Sort of like a really bad acid trip. I haven't tried the PL100.
I don't know much about the whole science of this stuff and I only recently started playing around with poppers so I don't know the difference between poppers today and poppers from 20 years ago. I can't say it'll be any different than what you've been experiencing. Good luck to you!
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 19:17...
Thomas the quack chemist in Nebraska prefers to ASSUME all and any reagents are sufficiently pure regardless of source, age, storage conditions, etc. etc......He as absolutely no idea how pure anything really is because he has no way to test them. Any REAL scientist NEVER ASSUMES anything. None of that changes the FACT that the REAL chemists from the early 1900s did in fact PROVE that the alcohols MUST be highly pure and that if so, sodium nitrite and acid can produce a high purity alkyl nitrite without the need to purify further via distillation.
I have ample personal experience that clearly demonstrates the alcohol purity is far more important than the sodium nitrite purity. And the SOURCE matters immensely....as does the amount of exposure to air once opened. Factory sealed alcohols are an absolute must. Thomas always mixes his impure alcohols from second hand sources....which is why he doesn't realize butyl nitrite should smell like a deodorized locker room...hence the deodorizer name of poppers and the first brand name was Locker Room...imagine that.
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 19:22...
I know for a FACT how BN should smell because I bought a 95% pure sample from Sigma Aldrich....factory sealed....and a deodorized locker room scent in my room was EXACTLY how it smelled. It degraded into a very sweet banana scent. NONE of his BN has ever produced these scents, which is exactly why he discounts odors as a means to identify any chemical compound. He's a total fraud.
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 19:26...
At Mask....all I know is that Joe Miller's poppers NEVER made me feel sick, tired or gave me mucous. And I hit them hard often. Of course there are those lie makers who will say it's just the quirks of my body, but they are only trying to confuse, daze and trick people.
The Professor said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 21:25...
Again Ken leaves the trader with a choice. Is Ken an idiot or a deceitful?
Plenty of evidence exists for both.
He has often times put his health at risk, he has often misunderstood simple text, and he had often provided absolutely ignorant 'theories' that he painted as actual theory (not his own uninformed opinion).
When he's acting like that, the implication is high that he's an idiot.
He has also, repeatedly, made straw man attacks against the true chemistry of the preparation of poppers.
What person, who truly is interested in learning ANYTHING, will throw up a series of straw man attacks, trying to condemn rather than educate?
When he's acting like that, the impression is that he's engaged in deception.
Somebody with something to gain from deceiving others, that's the ONLY reason to counter information with deception
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 23:47...
Thomas, the disabled, embittered Vet living in Nebraska, hit the popper forums at least 10 years ago. He appeals to those who use poppers and in this audience he found quite a few gullible and naive folks. He told them he makes 99.9% pure poppers and they are the absolute best that can be made. He exploits their hopes of finding the best poppers by making bold face lies. I am one of the few who can challenge him. I used to be naive, but I have learned so much in the last 10 years. Thomas sells his methods..and redirects others to his sites. I NEVER have done so. He is a person without morals.
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 23:57...
I would add that those who are making the bulk of poppers today, don't care about what I or Thomas P. says. They are not going to find anything helpful from Thomas P. and they don't need him or me to crank out tons of poppers of dubious quality, safety and consistency.
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 23:59...
I didn't know Joseph F. Miller personally, but I can vouch for the fact that during the last years of his life, his poppers were of consistent good quality. I bought them all over the place and often. The samples Thomas P. sent me from Nebraska were NOT good enough and one was the worst 30 ml bottle of crap I have ever smelled and seen.
The Professor said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 00:56...
Despite Ken's fallacies and lies, I don't sell my methods, I only respect those interested to a making sure so they can get away from the incessant bullshit that comes from Ken, so they can get a look at the real science of it.
The Professor said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 00:58...
Ken said 'i am one of the few that can challenge him.... '
Translation: Ken is one of the incredibly few willfully ignorant people that will deny reality until he hits the ground, and then some
The Professor said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 01:17...
Fact check: I can't vouch for ALL of our members at PopperMakers; some are Chemists, some are process engineers, some are regular people with an interest and some are people that end up deciding it's all over their abilities/abilities/motivations.
I do know that NOBODY is charged admission, and MOST of the members are making at a level that Ken has NEVER experienced.
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 18:36...
Thomas never ignores a chance to pimp his sites....he constantly refers to webpages he sponsors, has created or controls in some way. It's all a cover up to his real motives....which is to sell/make inferior and unsafe poppers by leading others to falsely believe that he makes 99.9% pure poppers all the time. Never once does he mention the pitfalls and health concerns and there are MANY!!!
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 18:40...
n-Pentanol should be stored under nitrogen. The storage temperature must not
exceed 40 įC and moisture are excluded. Under these conditions, a storage
stability of 12 months can be expected
This information is from BASF, the largest German chemical company.
The primary alcohols are MORE reactive than the secondary and therefore less stable.
Once they are exposed to air....they start degrading and once one pentanol and butanol are exposed, they go bad within one to 2 months per my personal experience.
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 18:42...
Thomas buys his alcohols from second hand dealers who have invariably purchased large drums of alcohols, poured them off into smaller containers eons ago without any nitrogen or other safeguards to keep them pure. Then Thomas claims he can make 99.9% pure poppers using his degraded alcohols.
The Professor said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 19:51...
More news from nowhere; you've posted this before, and nothing has changed since then; MOST alcohols have a shelf life of 12-24 months, NOT 2 months.
If your alcohols DON'T last as long as they should (12-24 months) then it isn't he alcohol'sa fault, it's YOURS.
I'm sure than you can buy marginal or already degraded alcohols if you search for lowest price, SURE, you can end up with junk
again, that's NOT the alcohol's fault, it's YOURS.
I ONLY mention my r/PopperMakers site when YOU make some absurd claim that amounts to click bait (like OMGDDDDDD I found the secret' or some other BS that's preying on the un-informed.
YOU, on the other hand, spend the bulk of your time boobbing between "look how easy it is" or "it's easy to google the answer" or "All my preps turned to shit after 5 days, I almost called 911"
in the past month alone, you've ignored people that directply ask you for help, despite claiming that 'all you do is care about others' , in favoir of trying to discredit any idea that isn't yours.
The Professor said on Fri, 3 Mar 2023 at 23:34...
Trying to pull wool over-the-eyes of unsuspecting newbies, again, while simultaneously trying to invoke the 'appeal to authority' fallacy, again.
This is a perfect example of him trying to push his OWN ideas as 'official facts'
First, he submits BSAF as the authority he is citing, and claims: "The primary alcohols are MORE reactive than the secondary AND THEREFORE LESS STABLE"
well, that may be Ken's opinion, and it sure as hell sounds like he's taking this fact from BSAF.......look into it further and you'll see
"Differences Between Primary and Secondary Alcohol
The primary alcohols are comparatively LESS reactive while secondary alcohols are more reactive.
However, primary alcohols are less stable because there is only one alkyl linkage to the carbon atom that carries the ĖOH group while secondary alcohols are more stable since they have two alkyl linkages."
If nobody holds this bastard accountable for his Santos level lies, this idiot is going to end up getting someone injured.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 17:19...
Important new findings from current research that counter all the ONE and DONE shit Thomas did 10 years ago.
I have demonstrated that the purity of the alcohol is more important than the sodium nitrite. I have repeatedly used the same old SN to get very good poppers. However, when using old alcohol that's been exposed to a lot of air, meaning more than half the volume is AIR, I get toxic effects OR very weak effects with off odors.
I also have demonstrated that ONLY water is needed to neutralize the acids and ONLY activated alumina is needed to ensure quality of the ester after bottling. This works in the short term over a period of days, perhaps weeks.
I have also demonstrated that the drying of the poppers is CRITICAL to best effects. AA helps achieve this within 6 to 24 hours, BUT not immediately.
I have also demonstrated that IPN works well using a previously mentioned method where no extra water is added to the reaction. Salt will be visible the entire reaction.
I have demonstrated that isobutyl, butyl and amyl alcohols do degrade, changing odor along with chemistry, and that these changes will drastically alter the finished popper, resulting in increased toxic effects, off odors and generally less pleasant effects. The alcohols are a far more complex chemical than SN and when they oxidize, they form a myriad of other complex chemicals, none of which enhance popper synthesis.
PopperExpert said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 17:22...
Poor Thomas....if only he had practiced good science and been open to more experimentation....and the research of others. Now he has no option but to cling to his debunked conclusions. He's sold his "best practices" to far too many people.
The Professor said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 19:36...
Getting back to 'the proof is in the pudding'
the result of all your 'brilliantly
wrong observations' is a product that has to be made a few ml at a time, that is useless after a day, and if stored for more than a well, will leave you gasping for air and ready to call 911
The Professor said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 19:44...
Again with click bait infested with lies. What YOU have demonstrated (to yourself) is in now way an "important new finding'; you've been circling the drain for 13 yrs.and NONE of your 'findings' are based on reality.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 20:40...
I demonstrated that using older, air exposed alcohols, results in lower quality poppers that don't smell right and don't have proper effects.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 20:42...
Of course, the old chemists from 1914, already discovered that amyl nitrite will not be of high quality and purity if the alcohol is NOT high grade. Using various grades and qualities of alcohols will result in a whole myriad of off odors and off effects.
The Professor said on Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 21:27...
again, by your own words, then, you demonstrated NOTHING.
If you truly store your alcohols so poorly that they degrade to levels that were ordinary for the 1900s, and in the 1900s they knew that degraded alcohol was the problem, then you have learned NOTHING.
In the 21st century, alcohols are made at a MUCH more pure level than they were in the 20th century; a person doesn't have to buy the best available grade when the liquid is very pure at manufacture.
All a modern chemist needs is to buy from a source that has high turnaround. The manufacturer is NOT going to re-tool their entire production line to make various grade alcohols. they make alcohols in the most cist effective manner possible; the purity is extremely high, and the variances come from their storage methods (or lack thereof)
i.e. manufacturer R makes highly pure butanol, and so does manufacturer T. R chooses to store in an unconditioned warehouse in plastic containers. Manufacturer T chooses to store in a temperature and humidity controlled environment in sealed glass containers.
Manufacturer T will be able to sell his butanol as ACS grade, since their storage protocols support that grade of reactant.
Manufacturer R SHOULD be selling his product at a much lesser grade (even though at birth they are both of equal purity)
again (and again and again) it comes down to YOU blaming EVERYBODY else for your failure to procure and store viable reactants.
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 01:07...
All Thomas has stated is pure BS....I never stated that modern alcohols are manufactured to low standards. What I said was they degrade once opened....and that second hand dealers(not makers) will pour off their large containers, bought from the manufacturers, and store them in less than ideal and unknown conditions. Hence, I only RECOMMEND factory sealed alcohols. I know for a FACT they degrade and will cause poppers to be bad out of the pot.
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 01:08...
And yes...I am blaming Thomas for the turbid shit samples he made and sent me from his home in Nebraska.
The Professor said on Tue, 14 Mar 2023 at 17:34...
oh yes, god knows that all of the clay in those pesky molecular sieves must have created toxins, just like water in your IPN preps creating toxic impurities eh?
even with the fact that clay has absolutely no vapor pressure doesn't stop the nonsense
The Professor said on Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 16:57...
It's hard to tell WHEN you were lying then, when you said the above, or when you said that alcohols MUST be the best grade available and even then they WILL degrade on two months....
Oh yes, he was lying BOTH times
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