Jungle Juice AMYL Xtreme forumla

Topic created by Popperworry
on Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 15:36

Popperworry said on Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 15:36...

Hello there..
Anybody have tryed jungle juice gold amyl ?
I have some questions.. What do you think about it? Are you sure its REAL AMYL and not propyl like jungle juice platinum - anyway "to test"?
And how the fuck can there be two different kind of jungle luice - One made from lockeroom and one from pwd (30 ml LR and 24 ml PWD) with tha exact same name and logo legally/copyright wise if you follow me.
Im extreme scared of vision problems, and are affrid to buy something named amyl and get propyl insteed... :/
Kind regards

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 20:34...

propyl....PWD don't use propyl as far as I know....it's butyl, or rather an isomer thereof :-)

Jungle Juice from LockerRoom is called "Jungle Juice Plus" -- actually there is some UK dude here who always pops up and says he is the original "Jungle Juice" and that is propyl now... I guess.

The name Jungle Juice comes from fruit hence amyl/pentyl family.

Iso-amyl is not amyl? That's what folks say.

popperworry said on Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 14:06...

Yes they do! Check up the Jungle Juice Platinum IN 24 ML VIALS - That is propyl! - From PWD!
The jungle juice platinum from lockeroom in 30 ML VIALS made in canada (but sold in eu/france) thats pentyl!
So how can they even use the exact same name and logo from two different things and producers?

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 21:49...

where are you seeing all this?? 'cus it is illogical to have these factors: PWD + PROPYL + LABEL AMYL.

Why anyone would want a product with the sensational word AMYL on it is beyond my ken (hahaha not that ken is mine, he belongs to another galaxy) because amyl nitrite is script only. PWD used to be so cool with the labels, Iron Horse, Quicksilver....you sure this is really a PWD product?

Popperworry said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 17:17...

https://www.poppers-aromas.eu/big-pop pers/109-jungle-juice-gold-amyl-24ml.html
Yes look at this product. On the back it says its produced på PWD.. let me know your mail and i send you a picture...

here is the propyl one https://www.poppers-aromas.eu/big-pop pers/9-jungle-juice-platinum.html..

I have never said that the label both writes propyl and amyl, but that it maybe could be mislabeled propyl SOLD as amyl..

The #1 Chemistry Professor said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:19...

You can easily tell isopropyl nitrite from the other nitrites by the scent(some Professors lack the ability to smell by their own admittance), but I can smell...and IPN degrades into a strong magic marker type scent. When it's fresh, it's much more mild and agreeable.

BTW, I just made 40 mls of fresh IPN and it's got the magic of good poppers without the big yellow dot and plunging blood pressure of yore. There's a very slight dreamy effect and a very strong ass relax that lasts fairly long. Odor is VERY VERY mild and aromatic.

Tenured Professor of Chemistry said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:26...

And the cost effectiveness and ease of making IPN at home is so much greater than the other nitrites. Literally, it costs a couple of bucks for IPA from Walmart...and I just paid 4.49 for a quart of 31% HCl from Menards.

You don't need distilled water, cause you add no water. You only need SN and Consolidated still has it, though they just upped their prices.

You need a drier, like calcium chloride, sodium or potassium carbonate, which are all easy to get and cheap. You need baking soda and salt to neutralize and do the initial dry. Both very cheap.

Enjoy the ride!!!

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:28...

Ratios/amounts:

29 grams SN
30 mls 31% HCl
60 mls 70% IPA

product...about 35 to 40 mls of very cost effective IPN

Anonymous said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:33...

If you make IPN like the former Professor states(he doesn't actually make IPN ever), but if you make it like he makes his concoction of mixed nitrites(none of which are pure, singular nitrites)....by adding a ton of water and super cold temps, you will get either ZERO yield or a very toxic brew. You will see a big yellow dot. You will black out. You will have plunging blood pressure. And within 5 minutes you won't be able to take one more whiff for hours afterwards.

Of course, the former Professor will do his best to invalidate my personal experience, even though he never actually tries to replicate what I've done. He's full of assumptions, bias, hatred and anger.

BrewMeister... said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:40...

As I've stated before, amyl nitrite, isoamyl and n-amy, have several advantages over the other nitrites.....They don't evaporate as quickly(last longer), n-amyl seems more stable, AND from my long experience of making countless brews of amyl, it's much less likely to contain toxic enhancing impurities, that will turn any high into a huge downer.

That said, if you make IPN correctly, without all the super cold temps and huge amounts of water, it's cost effectiveness makes it a good sub for amyl.

N-butyl nitrite is similarly toxic to IPN. I have made more brews of butyl nitrite that are nearly as toxic as IPN. Rarely has the butyl been low on toxic effects. It's likely due to TOO much water and degraded or lower grades of butanol. Remember I bought, actually bought(unlike the former Professor) 95% n-butyl nitrite from Sigma Aldrich and within 5 minutes my blood pressure caved and I felt like shit. It wasn't until I washed it that I circumvented this effect. So....as stated, butyl nitrite and IPN are much more likely to contain unspecified, toxic enhancing impurities.

PopperExpert said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:43...

And of course, the former Professor will try to invalidate my personal experience and all I have stated, even though he has NEVER tried to duplicate any of my procedures. In contrast, I have tried his basic procedure many many times and even tried some samples he sent me. Nothing coming out of the former Professor was GOOD ENOUGH. A one and done 12 years ago explains his lack of progress.

Anonymous said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:48...

Of course, the former Professor will try to invoke his legions of fans, by stating how impressed they all are with his procedures and products. But strangely, we never hear from them directly.

I could do the same....say I've sent out tons of samples and everybody loves them. But I won't, because I'm not seeking fanfare or power. I don't want to be the boss of a popper "club" as he is.

PopperExpert said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 18:50...

Oh yes...the former Professor has tons of adoring fans in his private Reddit group. He never fails to mention them. If we could just get them to vouch for all he says is true about poppers. But of course, I would just be inviting him to impersonate a whole ton of people.

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 19:04...

Oh ok, but why are you so animated about it? Can be all sorts of reasons to do with licensing agreements or whatever. Many people have used this term "Jungle Juice" and the classic one is usually known as "Jungle Juice Plus" from Canada.

Same thing with Locker Room (a 1970-era brand made by a dude called Clifford) and also the name of a manufacturer. PWD re-issued Locker Room in the Indiana days...it's confusing, amigo.

If you like something, then stick with it, trying to unravel the mysterious world of poppers is best left to superheroes like Captain Ken :-)

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 19:08...

Above message was for Popperworry...not a reply to Captain Ken's latest geriatric ramblings.

Anonymous said on Tue, 24 Jan 2023 at 18:00...

You certainly are not going to unravel any mysterious by listening to Tom the fake Professor in Nebraska.

He will never tell you that all the poppers....especially IPN, isobutyl and n-butyl can and will contain toxic enhancing impurities that make any experience with them very unpleasant. I not only have made all these various poppers, but I have used them.....I don't give them away or sell them...and wait for feedback.

The reason poppers can develop very toxic properties is due to impurities....which happens because of degradation....of both the finished product and the alcohol reagents.

I have been making low toxicity IPN for months now....hit it hard today...and ZERO weird or toxic effects...no YELLOW DOT.....NO BLACK TRANCE...no caving blood pressure.....

Just a faster, thumping heart rate and strong ass relax with slight surreal effect.

Anonymous said on Tue, 24 Jan 2023 at 18:08...

And no...my IPN is not less toxic because it contains a ton of unreacted rubbing alcohol...as Thomas would have you believe.

There is barely a scent of the base alcohol when first made.

Each and every time, I made IPN per Tom's instructions....I got a very toxic yield....and ZERO yield at -12C. I tried over and over again....and it has nothing to do with how I did it. I followed Tom's instructions exactly. He has been pushing formulas that yield toxic enhanced poppers.

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Tue, 24 Jan 2023 at 19:55...

yeah...whatever....

"the former Professor has tons of adoring fans"

Zelus, a little known Greek deity responsible for jealous and envious thoughts. Spend less time at his altar, enjoy a nice pizza with your favorite topping, walk the dog, stroke a cat, feed the birds, do your thing...just spend less time obsessing, amigo mio. Do you have any political opinions? or it's just the esoteric formulations of volatile nitrites that light your candle?

The Eminent Professor said on Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 02:52...

Oooh, look at me. I am old and have my own subreddit ooh aah I am a professor but I don't know anything about chemistry. It's all just a big cheMYSTERY to me and I am going to mislead people about temperatures and the after effects of huffing SN like "gold dust" just to be sure nobody can have the original feeling Isobutyl Nitrite imparted to humanity. Ooooh Aaaaahhhh I AM A PROFESSSOOORRRRR!!!!

Anonymous said on Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 21:33...

It's obvious that some people...perhaps a lot of people are NOT inclined to be consumer advocates. They don't care about people. I do....and I don't want anyone, not one single person to go through what I've gone through...suffering through all the tainted, toxic poppers I made using the Professor's methods.

The Professor said on Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 21:56...

You're not done with your days long hissy fit, I see.

your best success, more than a decade ago, revealed that you like a partially converted alkyl nitrite. Ostensibly to cut the reactivity way down so that your damaged body could still tolerate the effects. You continued that trend over at reddit (until you were banned), pushing your process as the best for all for YEARS.

Now, over here at Poppersguide, you continue your parade of madness; enjoying, for some reason, the elementary school grade attacks on ME rather than attending to the process.

Speaking of the process, your best recipe, posted above:

29 grams SN
30 mls 31% HCl
60 mls 70% IPA

that breaks down to

28ml H2O
0.5494 mol IsoPropyl alcohol
0.2944 mol HCL
0.4203 mol NaNO2

for some reason, you go over molarity on powder with respect to HCL.

you SHOULD know that HNO2 won't increase above HCL molarity by increasing NaNO2: (TL;DR you are WASTING about 30% of your powder (unlkess your powder is degraded 30%, and that's another issue entirely)

Regardless, you are severely under-satisfying the alcohol (consider a PERFECT conversion of HCL to HNO2, the theoretically PERFECT conversion of your formula is 53.5%

Again, a HALF converted alcohol

great demonstration on why your ideas are worthless; how you respond to being worthless, and continue to attack ME as if I give a damn about what you think.

kudos!

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 10:35...

>>the elementary school grade attacks on ME

yeah, this is getting too much. Infantile and boring...Trumpesque tantrums.

>>consumer advocate

lol now that is ridiculous!

I also think that some of the blah blah is seriously misleading and can be categorized as not only false, prone to cause alarm, but also dangerous. I am reminded again of Trump and his miracle cure for COVID....disinfectant.

So I for one say: no more Ken Trump and his "parade of madness" please. Sedation and rest is called for....."get ye to a nunnery" or rest home for delusional maniacs....perhaps DT has a room to rent at Mar a Lago?

A Really Smart PROFESSOR said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 15:02...

Ooooh Aaaah look I AM A PROFESSOR!

Tenured Professor of Chemistry said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 16:38...

As stated repeatedly, you CANNOT have a balanced equation...not even close, if you want to push the reactants to product.

I just made another brew of IPN....and it's fantastic...great odor and very fun effects.

The proof is in the product.

Thomas has only ever provided proof that his 30 ml bottle of poppers was turbid toxic garbage...made using his most preferred procedures...LOL

Tenured Professor of Chemistry said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 16:41...

And once again, Thomas doesn't try the various possible ratios...he merely states they can't work. Any good chemist/scientist will actually TRY something different to see if it is better.

PopperExpert said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 16:42...

Oh yes..Thomas did a one and done 12 years ago and he hasn't deviated since. Hasn't gained a single new insight.

Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 17:07...

OMG...I just hit my newest IPN hard....absolutely AMAZING odor and the effects are through the roof....all good...not one weird, toxic effect.

An extended whiff made the anal effects go through the roof and last a long time.

BrewMeister... said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 17:11...

yes...who knew something you can easily buy for cheap at Walmart....IPA
...could be turned into pure magic anal bliss.

Anonymous said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 17:12...

Oh yes...there's PURE LIQUID GOLD...and there's PURE TOXIC GOLD.

How you make IPN makes ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the difference.

The Professor said on Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 20:07...

Ken Devolder said "As stated repeatedly, you CANNOT have a balanced equation...not even close, if you want to push the reactants to product."

aside from concrete evidence that he employs the same lies over-and-over, expecting a different outcome (insanity), he evidently has become bored with attacking ME, and has moved on to attacking HIMSELF

those are YOUR ratios.

the SAME ratios that you are claiming that make a potent, long lasting and long lived popper.

I'm just showing you that the THEORETICAL (best case) reactivity of YOUR ratios is 53% conversion of the alcohol.

The ACTUAL result is likely even worse, but 53% is the best those ratios would do.

at 116% reactivity for a PROPERLY converted IsoPropyl alcohol, that's 61% reactivity BEST case.

by comparison
the cyclohexyl that you called AMPLE? 47% BEST case
this experiment in diluted IsoPropyl? 61% BEST case
Your precious N-Amyl? 72% BEST case

PopperExpert said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 15:18...

Once again...Thomas refuses to actually PERFORM an experiment to test the theory/formula. This is why he cannot learn...since he did the one and done 12 years back.

I just made a BN/IPN brew...using some butyl alcohol I had left. Didn't add any water....and I got a darn good smelling/good effecting brew.

When I use Tom's ratios, I get TOXIC smelly crap!!!

PopperExpert said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 15:20...

How do I know I get toxic smelly crap? Cause I actually DO the Prep...not once not twice...but many many times to be absolutely certain. Thomas just does head Preps and assumes results.

Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 15:23...

Ratios for the BN/IPN brew.

10 grams SN (consolidated)
10 mls technical grade butyl alcohol
10 mls 70 IPA Equate

Yield....about 15 mls.

Odor...pleasant...slightly fruity like the butanol, slightly aromatic.

Effects...strong ass relax.....slight dreamy effect....ZERO YELLOW dot or other weird side effects. Seems better than just IPN alone, but am not sure yet.

The Professor said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 17:55...

The word salad you just spilled, without mentioning the HCL amount, is , of course, meaningless (unless you have now taken to inhaling pure alcohol laced with NaNO2).

Regardless, if you have 15ml yield from 13ml alcohol, well, that's 115% yield. Poor example; make up some numbers that are actually possible next time.

This isn't rocket science, it's grade school algebra. Scientists are GUIDED by theory (not personal assumptions) and the theoretically maximum activity of the recipe YOU posted comes to 53%.

Again, grade school algebra.

you put the reader, once again, in the position of choosing "is this person insane or dumb?"

Anyone interested in the real science of preparing alkyl nitrites might enjoy our maker's guide at:

https://nublu.maitriworks.org/files/Alky%20Nitrite%20Preparation%20wiki.pdf

anyone needing further guidance is welcome to ask --prof-- on Reddit to join the PopperMakers subreddit

Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 18:21...

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG......I am totally over the moon on this last brew of BN/IPN. It is totally AMAZING!!!! And I didn't expect it to be. It has ZERO side effects...no black out trance...no yellow dot....no plunging blood pressure, no uncomfortable hot flashes.....JUST PURE ANAL BLISS where all you want to do is get fucked 24x7....it feels that good....And the odor is somewhat sweet but rather pleasant....

I wasn't going to buy any more butanol...but now I have to. This stuff is AMAZING.

10 mls HCl....
10 mls butanol
10 mls 70% IPA Equate
10 grams SN Consolidated

ZERO extra water during the reaction.....add small amounts after harvesting the bulk of the brew. This forces more yield to the surface.

There is ALWAYS white crystals in the bottom. ALWAYS!!!!

Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 18:24...

I have proven to myself that the amount of water used during the reaction makes ALL the difference....and that there has to be a sufficient molar imbalance to throw the reaction towards product and keep it there.

Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 18:29...

The BN evaporates less quickly...huge benefit. My straight IPN was evaporating in a day.....10 mls. You could almost see it evaporating. Did I say OMG???? yet?

The Professor said on Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 22:14...

Trying to entice innocent bystanders with your OMG thing again; it was irritating 7 years ago, and now it's just another boring lie, like all your other lies.

Like the LIE that the powder is the problem (which you attempted to prove by purposefully destroying your own powder with silica gel).

Or the LIE that the acid is the problem, and it goes bad in two months, that you proved to YOURSELF because after the bottle was half gone, everything went to shit (on earth, HCL @ 37% is about the most stable reactant there is, with a shelf life approaching three years).

Or the LIE that the alcohol is the problem, which you again proved to YOURSELF, stating that the alcohol goes bad in two months because everything is fine when you get new alcohol (again, in reality, alcohols have a two year shelf life).

Not to forget the LIE that the water is the problem, which you proved to YOURSELF by choking the reaction of it's medium, and leaving a partially converted alcohol.

And if course the outright LIE that you ' tried' making Isopropyl nitrite at a thermodynamically favorable temperature and got ZERO yield. (On earth again, I've been making various alkyl nitrites at our below -12C for years, and so have many members of our group.

The ONLY difference being the alcohol of choice, in your case, Isopropanol, which BTW has a melting point of -89C. But you didn't bother to try to be mathematically possible; you just lied because you thought it would be persuasive.

You've claimed that ALL of the reactants AND the reagent are responsible for your failures, when the failure is looking back at YOU.

It's good for our makers group, so I guess I shouldn't complain, except that I don't want innocent bystanders to hurt themselves by following your madness

Not that there's anyone still on this topic except myself and Ken's illusions, but :

Anyone interested in the real science of preparing alkyl nitrites might enjoy our maker's guide at:

https://nublu.maitriworks.org/files/Alky%20Nitrite%20Preparation%20wiki.pdf

anyone needing further guidance is welcome to ask --prof-- on Reddit to join the PopperMakers subreddit

Urea Master said on Sun, 29 Jan 2023 at 18:42...

I think that you two need to fight to the death. Hey Ken, are you up for it or too afraid you'll break a nail as "The Professor" throws "SN" in your eyes, grabs a gallon of that impotent VOC witch's brew you make in your bathtub, and lights it, laughing as you melt away?