Poppers Formula Chemistry

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on Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 12:54

Mam said on Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 12:54...

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BrewMeister said on Fri, 12 Aug 2022 at 05:38...

I now have sufficient evidence and experience to say with some assurance that part of why home brew poppers can seem weak, ineffective, or have noticeable side effects is due to biochemical tolerance.

For instance, my last series of brews amyl, isopropyl and even butyl all seemed bad after I first made them. Fast forward after a few weeks of total abstinence and some of these brews now seem OK. They have been sitting at RT mostly on small amounts of potassium carbonate and no inert gas. First clue they might be ok is that the odor is not repulsive...not bitter...not odorous. In fact, the butyl and isopropyl seemed to have improved odors....more sweet than bitter.

So...when in doubt, give take some time off and then retest.

ShrewMaster said on Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 13:55...

No...you have no tolerance. Whatever you made was weak.

BrewMeister... said on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 at 18:42...

It's a combination of tolerance and chemistry....much of which is rooted in reagent quality. I am about to test some new SN that cost a lot of money, but it comes direct from a major chemical maker. If brews are suddenly much better, it's proof positive that the quality of the SN matters immensely. Vacuum sealing and keeping the SN dry is the only way to preserve the stuff. Otherwise, moisture and O2 will change the SN over time to the point brews are no longer close to what they could/should be.

The Professor said on Sun, 28 Aug 2022 at 20:34...

It's a combination of incompetent makers and ignorant beliefs.

Incompetent makers tend to make a product that's infested with nitRATes. nitrate exposure results in an eventual significant tolerance (e.g. nitroglycerin). NitRITe exposure (poppers), by contrast, don't develop any meaningful tolerance, it's measured in hours, not days.

People that don't know that poppers are using a chemical pathway (nitric oxide) that the body itself uses to modulate smooth muscle tissue. IF any long term tolerance existed for nitrites, the body would lose control of it's smooth muscle tissue, and the user would likely be praying for death.

The Professor said on Sun, 28 Aug 2022 at 20:35...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885014/

Anonymous said on Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 18:05...

Spoken like a true egocentrist elitist Professor, only this one has no Ph.D. after his name. Pity!!!

NebraskaSucks!! said on Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 18:11...

Yeah.....too bad the Professor doesn't have any credentials to speak of. I suppose "feeling" that you do or should, makes it's true. Such is the sadness of some very sick people.

DonkeyDickUpTom'sShithole... said on Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 18:14...

I dunno....The Professor's dissertation on how He makes HIS poppers is totally AMAZING!!! Probably worthy of a Pulitzer Prize for sure!!!

TrumpsterDumpster... said on Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 18:16...

@Donkey...I dunno bout that....I don't think they give prizes for magic potions laced with toxic impurities, do they?

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 17:02...

@Dumpster / Shithole / Sucks et al:

You are asking yourself questions now? Your delusions are entering a critical phase, seek help...or buy a ventriloquists dummy...you could spend many wonderful hours spitting poison at each other... with your hand up it's butt and vice-versa!

MassiveCucumberStuckinProfessor'sShitter said on Sat, 3 Sep 2022 at 17:44...

Oh...yes...that popper making dissertation the Professor worked so diligently on says nothing new. Nitritespecialist said the same thing 10 years ago....the sodium nitrite goes bad fast, if it's not already bad to begin with, and that when it's bad, the finished popper gives horrible, downer effects. Control of reaction has nothing to do with bad SN. When it's bad, nothing works. Cold temps, slow mixing, nothing works. It didn't take a dissertation to say all that.

Oh....and one last thing....the major chemical makers, like Sigma, Spectrum, will NOT ship anything to an individual. And if you can find a middleman, he will be slapped with a 65 dollar shipping fee plus a huge markup on the sodium nitrite. The big guys absolutely do NOT want to make it easy for little guys.

Anonymous said on Sat, 3 Sep 2022 at 17:53...

Oh yeah....you can buy 2 lbs of Duda SN for 20 bucks delivered, BUT it's already in a state of oxidation/degradation once you get it. Plus, it has an anti caking additive, which probably creates some kind of impurity. Food grade SN doesn't have to be stored carefully, because even if it's turned into NITRATE, it's still functions to preserve food. Popper making SN has to be as pure as pure can get in order to get the best "undistilled" popper that has good effects and odor along with a decent shelf life.

Can you get a buzz off food grade SN? Sure you can.....if you aren't particular, you can get some type of buzz. I got a buzz off the last shit I made over a month ago, but the second it wore off, it left me with downer like sensations...after just one tiny whiff in days/weeks of abstinence.

PopperExpert said on Sun, 4 Sep 2022 at 15:22...

AMYL NITRITE

Amyl alcohol (b.p. 130®) ... 15 g. (18*5 c.c.)

Sodium nitrite (powdered) ... 15 g.

Goncentrated sulphuric acid ... 9 g. (5 c.c.)

The amyl alcohol is measured into a 250 c.c. round-bottom
flask after which the sodium nitrite is added and the two are
thoroughly mixed. The mixture is cooled in ice and concentrated
sulphuric acid added drop by drop from a dropping funnel with
continuous shaking (one hour). In the later stages the addition
of sulphuric acid is made slowly owing to the tendency of
the reaction to become vigorous. After the addition of the acid
is over, the contents of the flask are taken in a separating funnel,
the upper layer of amyl nitrite is separated, and the lower layer
diluted with a little water in the separating funnel itself whereby
some more amyl nitrite is obtained, which is separated and added
to the main bulk. The amyl nitrite is dried over anhydrous cal-
cium chloride in the separating funnel, filtered into a clean distilling
flask (50 c.c.) and distilled. The portion coming over between
95-100® is collected, weighed and sealed in a tube. It is a yellowish
green liquid with a penetrating and sweet smell ; b.p. 99 ° ;
sp. gr. 0-87220". Yield, 13 g.

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 6 Sep 2022 at 15:35...

Sodium Nitrite, Redi-Dri, ReagentPlus / 500 g ($75.30) + $63.89 Shipping
1 X $139.19
Subtotal $139.19
Tax $0.00
Shipping $16.92
Total $156.11
Balance due $156.11

Ouch!!! Not pennies on the dollar for a 10ml bottle. It takes 7-10 grams of SN per 10ml bottle...so if all goes well, you could get at least 50 bottles, at 20 bucks a bottle, that's 1000 bucks, but the cost of the alcohol and acid is another 60 bucks. And the cost of the brown bottles, the time to set everything up, do post processing and bottling, shipping, middle man cuts, etc.....it's really not worth it to any would be OTC sellers.

BrewMeister... said on Tue, 6 Sep 2022 at 15:37...

Moreover, if you just want to bottle any old yellow crap fluid, and there's plenty of that around, it could be very lucrative - IF you can keep people buying the toxic crap.

Anonymous said on Fri, 9 Sep 2022 at 02:39...

I made a 50 ml brew of pentyl nitrite using all new reagents. Nothing food grade...straight from the big guys.

I used William Noyes formula which is easy to find online for n-butyl nitrite.

I accidentally had my stopcock in the wrong position and part of my acid/alcohol mix went in too fast, BUT at no time did I get visible NO2 or much bubbles. Didn't see much happening at all. Thought I would get a ton of sulfate crystals but got none. Stir bar worked the whole time. The crude nitrite was slightly cloudy yellow and the water below was slightly cloudy/white. Got almost 50 mls yield.

Finished popper is medium yellow/transparent, slightly sweet and mild smelling. No irritation upon long extended whiff.

Effects are as expected...slight increased libido, with a tunnel vision, dreamy effect. Moderate ass relax. No come down. Effects wear off quickly.

Anonymous said on Fri, 9 Sep 2022 at 15:01...

The Noyes brew raises a few questions. Why no sulfate crystals during the entire reaction phase? They formed after I made the harvest, but were more like a watery cold slush at that point. Why hardly any bubbles? Why no visible NO2 - even despite adding far too fast at the beginning?

Perhaps the reagent quality was so high that it prevented such occurrences, which are so often seen.

Anonymous said on Fri, 9 Sep 2022 at 19:04...

I have done extended testing on my pentyl nitrite brew. I did frequent sniffing straight from a wide mouthed 10 ml brown bottle. There are no crazy effects. There are mild mental, dreamy, surreal effects. Moderate ass relax with definite prostate/nipple connection. There is no come down or period where sadness ensues or some low energy, unpleasant effect takes hold. As effects are wearing off, the most noticeable sensation is hearing the heart thumping in the ears during its decrease in rate. I felt an increase in body temperature.

Odor is mild and aromatic, slightly sweet but very nondescript.

I have more confidence that this odor and efffects are more in line with a more pure pentyl nitrite since all my reagents are factory fresh and I saw no disturbance during the reaction.

Anonymous said on Tue, 13 Sep 2022 at 16:57...

4 days later...and the one bottle I've been using everyday is still a very potent ass relaxer....still no degradation of odor...mild, noncaustic, every so slightly fruity.

I made another 50 ml brew a few days ago...I will know more after I've concluded my testing of these 2 brews.

If all goes well...and ass relax/odor stay strong...then I will have concluded 100% that the quality of the reagents is what is critical...especially the sodium nitrite. This means procurement of SN from a major player, not food grade that is stored any old way and has an anti caking agent impurity.

The Professor said on Wed, 14 Sep 2022 at 00:28...

The danger in your consistent tirade of arguing every damn thing that you disagree with, particularly when you are so ignorant of much of what is going on, is that you ultimately end up arguing AGAINST yourself.

take for instance, your tendency to prop up your mania with words that SOUND like you know what you're talking about, for example (above)

Ken said "Odor is mild and aromatic, slightly sweet but very nondescript....."

now take the definitions of the words

aromatic: "having a pleasant and DISTINCTIVE smell"

nondescript "LACKING DISTINCTIVE or interesting features or characteristics"

which, when taken together, create a statement that disagrees with itself.

Likewise with "not food grade that is stored any old way and has an anti caking agent IMPURITY"

this idiotic statement reveals that however you try phrase your 'experiment' as objective, it contains a bias that you think anti-caking additives are impurities.

Additive: a substance added to another substance or product for its ability to alter its properties

Impurity: a substance that has the condition of being impure; because of contamination, pollution, adulteration or insufficient purification.

let alone the fact that the anti-caking additive is completely inert

Anonymous said on Wed, 14 Sep 2022 at 17:29...

Quality matters.....!!!

Anonymous said on Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 14:01...

Tested my week old first 50 ml pentyl nitrite brew using high quality SN, from the most reputable dealer in the whole of the USA, probably the same maker that Joe Miller was using, and it's very very good still....very good relax/ass effects. Odor is still good. This after being tested more than once...exposed to air.

Effects are noteworthy because there are NEVER any come down effects...no weird effects, no unpleasant effects of any sort. Just a soft landing to feeling like nothing happened a few minutes after the last whiff.

Quality MATTERS!!! A lot!!! It's far more critical than achieving an exact temp or exact ratio of reagents.

Anonymous said on Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 17:21...

After a couple more test sessions, I'm left in utter disbelief....at how good pentyl nitrite can be. It's a week old and it's actually noticeably better than it was a few days ago. Sweeter smelling too.

It becomes crystal clear how poppers exploded in a multi million bottle business, all within the decade of the 1970s. The founding fathers of poppers would have had easy access to the highest quality reagents available. This is no longer true. The biggest and best chemical companies will NOT sell to individuals or anyone they suspect is making illicit drugs for sale OTC. This includes poppers.

Anonymous said on Sat, 17 Sep 2022 at 15:57...

I have tested both 50 ml pentyl nitrite brews....now at least one week old...and they are both similarly excellent in terms of longevity, odor and effects.

So...here's what I think the overall picture is of the popper industry since the 1970s.

1960....amyl nitrite became legal OTC until 1969.
1969....amyl nitrite was returned to script status due to recreational use
1970s...gay culture and poppers converge. Bathhouses, adult bookstores/arcades and gay bars explode in number and popularity. Access to high quality reagents to make consistently good poppers is easily available.
1980s...AIDS hits hard and authorities see a link between poppers and HIV. Poppers don't cause AIDS, but they are the world's best aphrodisiac and so there is a causal link in terms of altering behavior.
1987...Poppers are no longer legal for human consumption.
2010...Joe Miller, the last man standing making millions of bottles of high quality poppers commits suicide via nitrogen. His shop in Indiana rumored to be raided by the FBI. Perhaps because he was likely making pentyl nitrite, which is the best popper. Regardless, he still had access to high quality reagents and the authorities were likely trying to figure out how to shutter his business.
2022...No OTC poppers are consistently good since 2010. High quality reagents are no longer easy to get, as the big chemical suppliers only sell to institutions. Food grade sodium nitrite, easier and much cheaper to get, makes inconsistent poppers that are mostly full of impurities and do not preserve well.

So....only a few people know how good poppers can be when given the highest quality reagents and when selecting for the best possible nitrite, which is normal pentyl nitrite. Hence, the popper industry will never explode in popularity again and the threat of another AIDS type crisis is diminished.

Anonymous said on Mon, 19 Sep 2022 at 20:09...

I took my week old poppers to the places of ill repute and tested them out. I hit them extremely hard multiple times. At one point, my ears became "plugged" making sounds sound muffled a bit. But there was no ringing or feeling of drunkenness. Later, this being around 2AM-3AM being way past my bedtime, I did start to feel tired and unwell. I no longer wanted to hit them. By 11AM the same day, I was feeling OK and tested them. No bad feelings and they were still potent.

9 days old, 4PM, and after hitting them hard at the house of ill repute, they are still fresh and potent seeming. Odor is aromatic and nondescript...slightly sweet, but it's not like anything else I know of. There is no unpleasant bitter off odor of any sort.

Ass relax effect is very strong. Slight trance.....No come down of any sort.

So...more evidence that high quality reagents are the key to best poppers. I still had side effects, likely methe anemia, after hitting pentyl nitrite very very hard...constant whiffing straight from a 10 ml wide mouthed bottle.....But recovery was complete within 8 hours. I never felt drunk or had a sad come down. Just the stuffed up ears was the only weird effect. This effect lasted just a few minutes.

Anonymous said on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 at 15:40...

Two weeks since I made my two brews of pentyl nitrite and they are still very fresh and potent. Extremely strong ass relaxers.

Odor: clean, simple, very aromatic, mild, slightly sweet, perhaps a hint of fruit.

Effects: no mucous, no chest tightness, strong ass relax, mild mental effects(trance, altered state of being), fleeting, but can be sustained with repeat hits straight from wide mouthed bottle. No downer effects. I only experienced fatigue, late at night at the den of iniquity, when I essentially began to sniff directly from the bottle constantly...I reached a point where it wasn't fun anymore and I was just too physically tired and it was an effort to walk up stairs.

BUT that has never happened at home where I meter my hits more and never do them when I'm tired.

Conclusion: It is 100% absolutely essential to get high quality sodium nitrite that has been stored properly from the time it was made to the time it was bottled and shipped to you!!!!

I did not see any blue or green when I made both my brews. I followed William Noyes to the T, except I dripped the acid/alcohol from above the solution surface from a separatory funnel. Addition was quick during the first prep, because I had my stopcock in the wrong position, BUT it didn't make any difference....it may have been why I got no sodium sulfate impedance to stirring.

I added more slowly to the second brew and did get impeding sulfate crystals that had to be manually stirred. Presumably colder temps.

Both results were excellent, so obviously temperature is not critical.

DO NOT use food grade SN just because it's a lot cheaper and easier to get...UNLESS you do NOT care about quality of the popper.

Anonymous said on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 15:11...

Sept 30, 2022. Made two more 50 ml brews a few days ago. Followed W. Noyes carefully. First brew, addition was quick...steady stream into SN solution. Second brew....addition was a drop per second.

Second brew seemed to smell a little sweeter and cleaner and have better effects right after bottling. Aromatic and a slight citrus scent. Mostly nondescript.

Effects: very strong ass relax and increased sensitivity. Some side effects when hitting constantly, but nothing severe. No mucous or chest tightness. I do cardio everyday and I haven't noticed any reduction in my ability.

Anonymous said on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 15:35...

The slow addition brew required manual mixing the whole time. I used a long glass pipette to stir.

When addition is a steady stream, temps are likely higher, which prevents sodium sulfate impedance.

Anonymous said on Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 18:35...

Hello all you little bitches out there. I made another 50 ml pentyl nitrite brew a few days ago and it's absolutely amazing. I followed Noyes precisely except I dripped above the surface of the reaction fluid...about a drop per second via stopcock. I stirred manually the whole time plus used the mag stir. Ambient outdoor temp, was between 50 and 60F.

Finished nitrite is very transparent, moderate yellow color. I poured a few mls off into a wide mouthed 10 ml brown bottle in order to use and abuse, without jeopardizing the mother brew too much. I added activated alumina chunks to this bottle and the extra drying made the fumes incredibly potent. The ass relax, ass euphoria is beyond belief. Odor is clean, pleasant, aromatic, more like ether, but hardly sweet, not like fruit or flowers.

There is still much slight variation possible between brews. These variations are only detectable by a discerning nose and by someone who deliberately hones in on the effects in private while under NO other drug effects. There is a definite mental effect whereas the level of sexual aggression increases....barking sexual orders for example.

Once again, the reagents must be protected from oxygen and humidity. The SN cannot be food grade, which is stored without concern for either O2 or humidity. Quality matters!!!!

Important Question said on Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 23:23...

SN = Sulfur Nitride???

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Anonymous said on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 16:44...

Made another 50ml brew on October 17, 2022. Followed Noyes.

Left the mother brew in the fridge for 3 days and have tested today. Good, nondescript, non-acidic odor, aromatic and ethereal(ether like but not very sweet). Milder effects, but strong ass relax.

So....Sigma's Dry Sodium Nitrite has stored and worked well. I have been getting consistent odor and effects. I only need to tweak storage conditions for maximum use and shelf life.

During addition from a seperatory funnel and stopcock, I don't see blue or green, but yellow(nitrite) and white(sulfate crystals). I don't see brown nitrogen gases or much bubbling. It's a pretty tame reaction that requires constant stirring.

Noyes ratios: 38 grams SN into 150 mls DW
10 mls DW into 13.6 mls conc. sulfuric
54 mls one pentanol

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 04:17...

卐卐卐 I have an old German recipe from the 1930's I am going to try next. I wonder if Bill Noyes communicated with the German scientists of the era? 卐卐卐

Anonymous said on Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 18:01...

Preparation of amyl nitrite

A 1-liter three-necked flask is fitted with a mechanical stirrer, a separatory funnel with a stem extending to the bottom of the flask, and a thermometer. The flask is cooled in a mixture of ice and salt and a solution of 95 grams of sodium nitrite in 375 ml of water is placed. When the temperature has fallen to 0° C slowly from the separatory funnel a mixture of 25 ml of water, 34 ml (62.5 g) of concentrated sulfuric acid and 135 ml (110 g) of n-amyl alcohol are added, which has previously been cooled to 0° C. The addition takes 45-60 minutes and the rate of addition must be controlled so that the temperature is maintained at ± 1° C . When the sulfuric acid and n-amyl alcohol have been added the mixture is left to stand for 1.5 hours and filtered from the precipitated sodium sulfate. The upper yellow n-amyl nitrite layer is separated, washed with a solution containing 1 grams of sodium bicarbonate and 12.5 g of sodium chloride in 50 ml of water, and dried with anhydrous magnesium sulfate. The resulting crude n-amyl nitrite (107 g) is satisfactory for many purposes. Upon distillation, it passes over largely at 104° C with negligible decomposition. The boiling point under reduced pressure is 29°/40 mm. n-Amyl and other alkyl nitrites decompose slowly upon standing and should be kept in a cool place. They must be used within a few days or, at most within two weeks of their preparation. The decomposition products include water, oxides of nitrogen, the alcohol and polymerisation products of the aldehyde.

A text book of practical organic chemistry, by A. I. Vogel, 306, 1974

I tried this formula, which is virtually the same as William Noyes.

I kept the reaction vessel surrounded by very cold antifreeze coolant, which started at 0F....that's 32 degrees F below freezing.

I also lowered my dropping funnel to the bottom of the reaction vessel. I dripped about 1 drop every 2 seconds.

I constantly stirred manually with a long glass rod due to sodium sulfate precip. I let stand for 15 to 20 minutes.....I had 25 mls amyl nitrite brew. I saw a clear 3 phase separation...as noted by Noyes. I saw no green, blue nor brown gas. White lower sulfate layer, then clear water layers and then yellow clear top layer.

The pentyl nitrite I got is very good. Very clean aromatic odor. No off effects. VERY VERY strong ass relax.

I used activated alumina powder ONLY to preserve...and 24 hours later, it seems the same.

So....there may be a clear advantage to colder reaction temps(bath) and dropping to bottom of flask. Perhaps the acid/alcohol degrades the forming nitrite if it's dripped from above the surface of the fluid.

Rosa Klebb said on Sat, 29 Oct 2022 at 12:35...

.barking sexual orders for example.

LOL...what total bullshit

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 at 02:46...

Woof woof I'm gay. WOOF!!!