William Noyes....striking gold here!!!
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Topic created by BrewMeister...
on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:31
BrewMeister... said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:31...
I followed the prize winning, published Chemist William Noyes again and I'm striking gold with amyl. This brew today does it all....surging adrenaline, plus sexually aggressive, plus ass on fire, all fun in a bottle with ZERO weird or off effects.
I used more SN and this may have accounted for the extra boost in effects.
16 grams SN into 40 mls DW, chilled
15-16 mls battery acid(cold)
Add 20 mls one pentanol to the acid and mix well
Using ice bath....slowly add the alcohol/acid mixture below the surface of the SN solution....Mix manually if and when it becomes necessary.
Took me about 10 minutes for addition.
Very slight mild odor. Very light yellow and clear finished nitrite.
It doesn't have to be super cold....there is a temperature range of -5 C to +5 C that is often cited. BUT as always, feel free to experiment.
This stuff is good and potent....no weird odors or hot flashes...just fun.
The Professor said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 23:35...
I wonder what happened to the post in which you claimed that Sulfurin acid was superior because some quora answer said it was superior to HCL for nitrations?
That would have been a good topic to have left on the forum; it demonstrated how Ken confused NITRATION with NITROSATION like a hysterical ranter looking to disprove reality might.
Of course sulfuric is excellent NITRATION reactant; it is diprotic while HCL is monoprotic; by default it will nitrate better than HCL, but making a poper is not a nitration.
That post ALSO explained the pros and cons of both acids, and it seems that Ken has chosen to prefer an alcohol that leaves contaminants and precursors to contaminants rather than spending more on HCL for a cleaner experience?
Very strong oxidizer
2 hydroxyl groups likely impurities from side reactions)
diprotic (excellent NitraTOR)
no hydroxyl groups
monoprotic (excellent nitroSATOR)
both will yield an alkyl nitrite, but sulfuric loses due to its dirty nature, leaving hodroxyl groups to create other impurities (e.g. NaOH (lye) when it combines with sodium ions that are prevalent in this prep, and its strong oxidizing nature that will eat away yield.
those are maker's issues. User issues would be when the potassium carbonate is used to stabilize the popper, and K ions bond with the hydroxyl groups that are prevalent to make KOH (potassium hydroxide, an extremely caustic alkaline that, unfortunately, saponifies (turns into soap) alkyl nitrite.
That will quickly reduce the potency (a large drop in the vapor pressure) and change the odor for the worse.
so Ken is polluting himself, his environment and his neighborhood's water supply and he calls that FUN?
not for nothing, but concentrated sulfuric (as called for by his much beloved Noyes method) is at least 96%, while battery acid is about 30% concentration.
Ken is obviously using LESS acid than called for, trying to reduce the potency so he won't think its toxic (as he tends to), and partially nitrosated poppers degrade faster than fully nitrosated poppers (as higher concentration acids are more stable than lower).
any which way you slice it, Ken is a click-baiting, lying ranter
BrewMeister... said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:03...
Ran upstairs and retested my newest Noyes brew...and OMG....it's a VERY quick and potent ass relaxer. Feels good all the way.
Must be that extra SN I added.
PopperExpert said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:05...
@Professor....references please? Where did you see that HCl was better for esters? Why have you ignored what Noyes used? You have not addressed or even speculated why he CHOSE sulfuric acid and not HCl. Come on now....
DragQueenSally said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:08...
Word on the street is that the Professor sends out garbage samples, made with HCl and tries to sell his Wikilinks method to any sucker who might so gullible. The other guy isn't selling anything. He's just citing reference material that is free online.
The Professor said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:18...
Ken's still playing with his imaginary friends
readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.
He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.
another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney
Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)
Just Chem said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:34...
Once tried with extra SN...
Seems to be more potent but blue lips are guaranteed
After a week it was just a crap and throw it away.
The Professor said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:52...
Yes, extra NaNO2 won't deliver potency; the alcohol is nitrosated by HNO2; HNO2 comes from H ions (from the acid) and NO2 ions (from the NaNO2)
Ken is using about 1/3 the acid called for; excess NaNO2 will NOT convert to more HNO2 when it runs out of H from the acid; there will just be an excess of NO2 floating around, waiting to cause trouble (and curl noses)
BrewMeister... said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 16:44...
Just tried my freshest NAN and it's still good. The one I first opened is noticeably weaker, but still good odor and decent effects.
I opened the other one, now 24 hours old and it's much stronger. Very good odor and heart beat is stronger/faster than the one that has weakened.
Anonymous said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 16:45...
@Professor....still ZERO references???? Can't explain why Noyes chose sulfuric??? We thought you knew everything?
The Professor said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 17:56...
Why would anyone think that someone can know everything? oh yes, just another straw man attack.
You might not read my posts here, and I'm sure many are tired of the mess that you turn a topic into, but despite your demand that I don't respond, I actually DO disprove your theories and procedures with facts and references. when you dart from topic to topic, demanding a response, when a response has ALREADY been supplied, it enforces the reality that you are openly trying to obstruct meaningful conversation between members here.