HOW to prepare your ice bath
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Topic created by just_chem
on Fri, 15 Jul 2022 at 22:49
just_chem said on Fri, 15 Jul 2022 at 22:49...
instead of cruch ice cubes (mixer needed.etc) and then mix with table salt, you can , mix them together on a bottle and place it of freeze for 2-3 days . 1,5 Lt bottle with 200-250 gr of salt will freeze at -10 C . The best thing is that the ice stays soft and easy to handle . At chemical process it gives me -12C .If I add some salt on the top ,it falls at -15C . But the best thing is by far the softness of the ice.Soo easy to handle it . The only negative is that it need 2-3 days to freeze and a good freezer (mine goes to -22C)
The Professor said on Fri, 15 Jul 2022 at 22:58...
It doesn't take 3 days, but I also use a salt with ice bath. I use a fruit ninja blender to turn the ice into snow, pour it into a 2 gallon freezer bag, and then add 350g of salt. Shake the bag to distribute the salt and pour into the ice bath.
You've caught on that it's better to have cold snow or slush than solid ice; temperatures can get much colder.
just_chem said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 00:15...
I am just telling that (by this method) there is no need for blender . Ice is like this
If you add extra ice on that you can get your -22C.
I just leave it for 2-3 days to be sure .
No need to argue ...
just_chem said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 00:16...
.....If you add extra SALT on that you can get your -22C....
The Professor said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 16:40...
I'm not arguing with you, just relaying another option.
Have you had success at -22C at ancient pressure? I get a total freeze up of the reaction vessel if I go that cold
The Professor said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 16:41...
Ancient should be ambient
Father said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 18:35...
Can be used liquid nitrogen?
The Professor said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 18:48...
There are a couple of makers in our group that are using dry ice to prep; they report that it works very well
Father said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 19:33...
Liquid nitrogen is too cold?
Father said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 19:39...
The temperature of the dry ice seems to be perfect
The Professor said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 20:21...
Liquid nitrogen would be too cold at normal pressure, yes
Father said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 20:23...
Thank you professor
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:20...
Please cite your reference material....virtually no published alkyl nitrite prep calls for -12C. The all mention 32 F or 0C.
References please...otherwise it's just personal opinion of rookie chemists online.
Popperasswipe said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:21...
Oh...the Professor has been pushing -12 forever. He thinks his shit is good and it aint.
Anonymous said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:23...
The Professor can't cite any reference literature or patents that suggest -12F as the optimum temps. He just made it up and thinks his HCl toxic shit is good...he sends out samples and if one person likes it...it's good to go.
ShitDon'tStink... said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:36...
@Anon....oh I see.....yeah....the one guy always cites references but the Professor never does...He just claims he's debunked every single other method to make poppers. He says it over and over again.
The Professor said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 22:54...
As a point of notice, Ken, since one's self is the easiest to fool, and since reflection is a favorite tool of yours, its obvious that instead of learning anything about making, you instead continue to waste your time with a constant barage of crazy talk, from various characters.
I USED to think you just spent your entire lunch break on it, which is bad enough, but its obvious now that you spend MUCH more time on it.
Looks like you've been spending some quality time with your other personalities Ken.
I guess its not surprising that you wouldn't remember the references I posted before you went full court press on the crazy train.
I doesn't matter that you don't believe the references I posted; they aren't really for you, they are for others who are capable of thinking and honestly want to begin making.
All of your posts lately have been a waste of YOURE time, but I spend minutes in retort, so keep it up; it proves your true nature.
Ken's still playing with his imaginary friends
readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.
He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.
another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney
Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)
just_Chem said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:26...
Have you had success at -22C at ancient pressure? I get a total freeze up of the reaction vessel if I go that cold "
No .outside i manage to get -18C . In reaction -15C .
The sweet point for me (also) is -12 C. At those temp I get real sweet odorless results!
When I was using sulfuric acid , one time It frosted .I got nervus and start to heat it. Then ,it masively reacted all together and destroyed my chem! Now I am using HCL with no such problems
The Professor said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 00:30...
-12C is my aim point also, as is HCL; its a much cleaner reaction and holds together longer.
Thanks for replying.
Popperasswipe said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 17:09...
Of course using sulfuric is more difficult, but it creates a better ester. Just Chem and the Professor(probably the same person) are simply using HCl cause it's easier. But it certainly isn't as good a choice to make an ester. And no reference cited for temps???? Professor just made it all up. Who knows...maybe -12 will somehow make HCl a little better but NEVER as good as sulfuric.
MyHoleHurts said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 17:12...
Just Chem.....you didn't stir the pot....I know...it's a pain. That's why your sulfuric acid didn't work well. If you like poppers made with HCl...go for it. But I prefer a better made, higher quality popper, so I no longer use HCl, despite the fact, it's so much easier to stir.
The Professor said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 17:50...
Isn't it hilarious that Ken continues to fight a lie, even after it's gone stale?
I showed interested parties the differences, and it comes down to a cheap and dirty prep or a clean prep that needs a bit of extra cash.
What you have is ONE proven trolling, click-bating, desperate liar making a claim that a cheap and dirty acid is superior to a clean acid that won't turn the product into soap, and won't dump sulfates into the water supply.
He's turning to his favorite tactic, reflection, to insinuate that YOU are doing it wrong. This reveals his worry that HE is doing it wrong. He also throws in a passive aggressive insinuation that anybody who doesn't use sulfuric is ME in disguise.
If he bothered to care, he'd look your name up instead of beginning with a lie, and he'd see that you have been in the community for years.
Popperasswipe said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 22:25...
OMG.....I just got my temps down to absolute ZERO.....and the stuff that popped out the other side is absolutely AMAZING!!!
PopperExpert said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 22:27...
Oh yes..it's better, BUT it takes 3 whole days for it to warm up enough to inhale it....otherwise it freeze dries your lungs.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 22:29...
Well if that's true, the Professor should update his WikiLinks Special to show how absolute zero is now the latest and greatest temp of all!!!
The Professor said on Wed, 20 Jul 2022 at 14:23...
You accidentally bring up a valid point.
The main reason I continue to post here, where there is a desperate, bitter, trolling, click-baiting liar looking to fill every post with nonsense?
Simply to both recover interested parties from exposure to your ludicrous and dangerous ideas, but ALSO to improve the clarity of the existing how-to guide.
e.g. your current tirade over sulfuric acid. The wiki doesn't cover very much about 'why' HCL is preferred over sulfuric acid, and now it will.
In my short tenure as the DPR for PopperMakers subreddit, I've modified the guide several times, and MOST of those edits have been addition of explanatory text in response to your bullshit.
Whatever you think the end game is, I let you waste your time with long winded crazy talk, occasionally reminding newbies that wander in that they're is a sane alternative to your lies. The rest of the time, I take anything you say that has a CHANCE of being a viable question, and explain it in the next revision.
It's a win-lose-win. Newbies win, you lose, I win because whatever you are doing has been the absolute best advertisement for getting newbies safely in the water and making on a level you never will.
just_Chem said on Sat, 10 Sep 2022 at 18:54...
Making my liquid a drop every 3 sec into my reaction vesel was always a problem .
So I both a few items (some of them I got them ) and problem finaly ended.
for desired Vout because 12V was too much for motors
for programmable loop timer (0.5 sec working / 3 sec off )
Peristaltic Pump DC 12V
Anon said on Wed, 21 Sep 2022 at 22:25...
I was thinking of getting peristaltic pump but had success when I just I just heated up a glass pipette and punch it into the back of a 26 gauge hypodermic syringe. From there, you can dictate flow rate by the height of the column of water and gauge of the syringe. 26 g is good enough if you column is not to tall. It is pretty straight forward from there and you set the needle below the surface and let it gravity feed. The was way more simple and dummy proof that trying to adjust a valve to get a certain drip rate. My rate of flow was well below 1 ml / minute, which is what a lot of peristaltic pumps go to. I was maybe seeing 1 ml every 10 or 15 minutes. I just mix the bottle with NaSo2, water, and alchohol and drop in the syringe and pipette.
just_Chem said on Fri, 23 Sep 2022 at 19:58...
Made the same thing like you but I wasn't so lucky . My solutions had some debris witch stuck the valve every few minutes . I had to think something more steady dripping mechanism
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