William A. Noyes...the mother of modern poppers.
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Topic created by BrewMeister...
on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 09:56
BrewMeister... said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 09:56...
Why Is William A. Noyes Influential?
According to Wikipedia, William Albert Noyes was an American analytical and organic chemist. He made pioneering determinations of atomic weights, chaired the Chemistry Department at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign from 1907 to 1926, was the founder and editor of several important chemical journals, and received the American Chemical Society's highest award, the Priestley Medal, in 1935.
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William A. Noyes developed through careful experimentation an easier way to make poppers(alkyl nitrites) and published his findings in 1933, 4 years before amyl nitrite became a scripted drug in the USA. His description is widely available on the web. I have repeated his method many times and can vouch that by following his method, and by using sulfuric acid as he did, one can achieve a very good popper, one with amazing anal, orgasmic effects, and one that will maintain a good odor.
HCl, however, will not achieve these results, based on my observations and experiments. It's important to follow Noyes closely. The pot needs rapid whirling, mixing....no dead spots. And it needs to be kept cool.
Good luck all!!! I've reached the end of my 12 year long search. I can't say anything more. If someone else has another method, try it if you want. But make certain you use the Noyes method as a point of reference, because it works. It was devised by a real organic chemist and it's published.
NitriteExpert said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 12:02...
Question is was Joe Miller using sulfuric?
Anonymous said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 14:47...
Nitric acid is also used in the reaction
BrewMeister... said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 16:09...
We'll never know how Joe made his poppers or what type of acid he may have used. Whoever the techs were are remaining quiet. The Langhorne PA operation, that replaced him, upon his death, clearly stated HCl was in their product and it was always bad and acidic. I never bought a sample from them that wasn't weak and made my throat hoarse.
I just tested my 3rd brews of Noyes and it seems every bit as good as what I was buying right before Joe died. Very mild, nondescript odor. No sharpness, not very pungent, slightly sweet. It seems important to vigorously neutralize the acid, as Noyes mentioned. I used a stir bar and baking soda/brine. The nitrite stayed separated and did not emulsify despite rapid mixing.
I recommend people try various methods, BUT try Noyes first and do it right, as he describes. Do NOT substitute HCl for sulfuric just because it's easier to stir the pot. I used battery acid(35%) which is widely available. The downside with it is you have to keep mixing the acid/alcohol because it separates. A higher concentration, around 60% of sulfuric seems to mix better with the alcohol and stay mixed.
Anonymous said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 17:54...
If you had good equipment and chemicals, a good product would come out. This story with Joe is a myth.
BrewMeister... said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 23:54...
I know it's not a myth because I lived through it. It's the only reason I turned to making poppers myself. I was able to buy Joe's poppers for only 2 years before he died. I know for a FACT, I could buy good poppers everywhere and anywhere OTC in the USA. As soon as Joe died, every online site shut down for awhile. Then when Langehorne PA poppers filled the void, they were total acidic, weak crap.
BrewMeister... said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 23:56...
I can tell you where I bought poppers and the exact bathhouse scenarios I used them in....down to the exact scene and people. I have an excellent memory of those poppers and their effects.
BrewMeister... said on Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 23:58...
That said, I just tried my newest Noyes brew again...8PM, July 12, 2022...and the physical pleasure, nipples/ass is almost over the top, but without the slightest negative after effect.
BrewMeister... said on Wed, 13 Jul 2022 at 00:00...
As I've already stated, I'm done posting. I've said all I can say.
Good luck to all.......
eyewantsome said on Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 00:03...
@BrewMeister. Where can I get some of the Noyes brew?
The Professor said on Sun, 17 Jul 2022 at 01:02...
Ken's still playing with his imaginary friends
readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.
He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.
another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney
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