New Butyl Nitrite Brews like Joe Miller's?
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Topic created by Anonymous
on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 14:09
Anonymous said on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 14:09...
I have been testing my new butyl nitrite brews over the past few days and they are markedly better than all previous NBN brews. Today's test demonstrated good odor with not a trace of any off/bitterness scents. There's still a slightly pleasant candy sweet odor.
Effects are striking in that they remind me more of Joe's poppers....having a very distinct, mild ass effects and increased libido....nothing slamming or over the top....rather gentle and sustainable. There are no weird or alarming effects.
So....if this is the closest I've come to making good NBN, this could be what Joe had been making, as some forensics reports in Michigan, 2009, had suggested.
Place 30 mls cold butanol in flask and slowly drip in 28 mls cold 31.45% HCl. To this flask, slowly add 22 grams SN in 40 mls DW.
The flask is sustained in a super cold ice bath. I used antifreeze that was nearly frozen. Small bubbles will be seen immediately and small amounts of blue nitrous will form and quickly disperse. There should be very little, if any, brown gas seen. Yield should be around 80-85%, clear light yellow. Wash 3 times with 15% baking soda solution. Followed by several cycles of brine to clear and dry. Add a little dry Potassium or Sodium Carbonate....agitate....wait up to 20 minutes....separate and store on a few beads of MS4 and a little dry potassium or sodium carbonate.
Anonymous said on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 14:10...
I should have mentioned the addition of the acid and SN solution all are done on slow to moderate mag stir.
Anonymous said on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 14:19...
The important note is that there should be EXCESS alcohol at all times so that all nitrous acid that is formed will get captured by it and so that the reaction will move further to completion leaving less reactants in the crude yield. In the example, all the acid/alcohol were in the pot already, so there was a huge excess at the beginning of the reaction during the start of the SN solution addition. Thus, there should never be a build up of blue nitrous acid which will inevitably degrade into nitric acid, nitrogen dioxide and possibly form other undesirable side products, that will both contaminate and degrade the finished nitrite.
The Professor said on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 16:31...
it's a broken record ken; a couple of grams, one way or the other, isn't going to make much of a difference.
let's review what we KNOW about ken.
Why Does Ken like one of the weakest nitrites available?
His 'best yet' recipes ALWAYS are attempting to control the volatility of the nitrite by diluting it with parent alcohol. He's done this 'accidentally' when he was in a 'f*ck science' mood, and he's done it by trying to copy existing recipes, but he ends up using the wrong concentration of acid, which ALSO results in unreacted alcohol.
yet he describes his experience with n-Amyl as 'ample', and the clue is in the fact that even a diluted, weak nitrite brings his body into cardio-pulmonary crisis. That's due to his diseased spleen, but he doesn't want you to know about that.
Why is he CONSTANTLY vascillating between n-Amyl (just about the weakest ) to IsoPropyl (just about the strongest?
The clues are in his descriptions of his 'brews'. If it's an n-Amyl brew (which he TRIES to convince is the best) he'll talk about it, LATER, as being 'not that impressive', but AS he's making and trying to shove his 'discoveries' down our throats, they are all 'ample'
So, the nitrite that his body CAN (almost) tolerate doesn't really 'do it' for him, so he comes back to IsoPropyl , again, again, rinse, repeat.
Why does he CONSTANTLY nit-pick someone ELSES successes, yet claim that 'it doesn't matter to me what other people do at home'?
Because he's a frustrated Joe Miller wanna be; he has NO interest in helping people, it's all about HIM.
Why 'pretend' to be a chemist, yet CONSTANTLY push poor lab practices?
because he thinks science is just 'fancy cooking' and he doesn't understand the simplest scientific text.
His 'newest' (although it's really just a re-hash of an old idea from PoppersPlace) is the un-reacted alcohol thing, which ALL of the makers at his old haunt, PoppersPlace, decided wasn't panning out.
A funny thing is that he's now in a position that forces him to be a hypocrite.
Remember that batch with a 'slight excess of butanol' that popchef sent to him, and he said 'reeked of butanol?
back then, it was a wretched idea that lead to what ken called 'the most foul odor i've ever tried to inhale'
Now, 12 years later, it's the key to making good product?
they fit right in with your other lies though, so I guess you think i'm kicking you, bill...
Nitrous acid is at highest concentration at 0C: Lie
Nitrous acid decomposes into Nitric acid: Lie
HCL acid decomposes quickly: Lie
NaNO2 decomposes very quickly: Lie
Alcohols decompose quickly: Lie
stir bar should be fast to create an emulsion: Lie
The product should be crystal clear (not pale yellow): Lie
The product should have a pH of 7: Lie
NOtice in his last post in this topic (that's filled with 'there should never' this and 'always ensure' that) that he tries to use language that seems to indicate that he knows what he's talking about?
Kind of like when he just tried to slip one of HIS lies into a quote from a book?
That's a fallacy called 'appeal to authority' and it's one of his favorites
Anonymous said on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 21:33...
The following is from the Scienemadness Boards, dated 2017.
"Hawkguy - add your sulphuric acid to the alcohol first, the two won't react at lowered temperatures (although if added too quickly, propene will be formed by dehydration). What is happening is that your nitrous acid is being generated and decomposing before it can form the ester. Upon addition of the nitrite solution to the acid/alcohol mixture, there should be bubbling and the immediate formation of an alkyl nitrite layer on top of the water - I managed this reaction, first time, in under 20 minutes (including preparation) so an hour is far too long for this small scale synthesis."
"Anyway, nitrous acid is a weak acid whereas HCl is strong (pKa 3.4 vs -6.3, respectively) - all mineral acids will win out over the nitrite anion even though its beefier cousin HNO3 is one of the strongest common acids, easy to get confused."
The Professor said on Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 22:04...
The post above is confirming that the prepper DOES get bubbling; yes, that's something ALL makers experience.
Those that realize bubbling is boiling, and that boiling is wast8ing reactants, tend to explore WHY. They then discover that reaction RATE has a very large effect on the purity and saturation of the final product, and they proceed to tune their prep to eliminate it.
I THINK that's the point you are trying to make, in some passive aggressive fashion?
Why not try referencing actual reference material, not junkie level back yard techniques?
Oh Yeah, you don't believe in science
Anonymous said on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 14:16...
I just tested my 3 day old N-butyl nitrite and it's a WIN WIN!!! First time ever, after 3 days, my NBN has maintained a very pleasant odor(sweet), and great effects similar to Joe Miller's effects.....a mild euphoria, with pleasant ass effects....nothing over the top...no headache, no massive flushing, no visual spots...nothing indicative of toxic impurities.
Anonymous said on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 14:20...
There is likely residual alcohol in my NBN, BUT it hasn't been a detriment after 3 days. It adds a sweet and pleasant odor and doesn't seem to interfere with pleasant effects. After 3 days, it's as good or better. There are only 4 MS4 beads and a small layer of dry Potassium Carbonate sitting on the bottom of the 10 ml bottle. This is a WIN WIN brew and anyone seeking a stellar NBN brew should try it.
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 15:27...
Do we HAVE to endure this EVERY time? There are already YEARS of this nonsense clock-bait that always turns to junk.
Sometimes in days, sometimes in weeks, but always 'OMGGG' turns to 'what a disaster'
And what about the 'reeks of butanol' lie that you tried to push on is when someone else did the same thing you are in line with 8 years ago?
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 15:53...
And the 'first time ever' thing is provable wrong; you 've had brews on PoppersPlace and reddit and PoppersGuide that you ALSO claim to have been stellar that lasted 6 weeks before they turned to junk.
Lie upon Lie
The Professor said on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 16:30...
readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.
He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.
another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney
Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)