N-butyl popper Disaster!!!
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Topic created by Anonymous
on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 01:33
Anonymous said on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 01:33...
I finally had a chance to try my brews of Butyl Nitrite at the Club. The first few whiffs were decent, promising. But later on, it got really bad. I found myself feeling very unwell and having to drop to the jism stained floor in the glory hole booth. I couldn't move. It was a total coitus interruptus crisis.
So....back to my original hunch that butyl, isobutyl and isopropyl nitrite are much more toxic when inhaling directly from the bottle as is typical in the Clubs. Back in 2008-10, when I was buying poppers all over the place, including my little town, never once did I have a single bad experience with my OTC poppers, snorting directly from the bottle over and over again. So...either they were some form of amyl or Joe Miller had some secret about how to make butyl/isobutyl NON-toxic.
The Professor said on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 16:39...
They're not toxic if your make them right, and what you likely experienced was a nitrite that's more reactive than what your body can handle, just as I've been warning you about for several years.
The IsoP you were making and calling toxic was likely just highly reactive as well.
That's what you get when you have an enlarged spleen from trying to metabolize your poisonous Alkyl nitrites year after year.
You're almost 15 years older than what you are looking for; you're not going to get it back.
Anonymous said on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 20:28...
Toxic chemicals are "reactive" chemicals, that cause disruption to living cells. Too much oxygen is toxic to human cells and harms the lungs. Carbon dioxide, on the other hand, is NOT toxic. It doesn't do anything to a living cell that harms it.
So to say that alkyl nitrites have various "reactivities" within the human body BUT that none of them are inherently "toxic" doesn't make any sense. They are ALL toxic to everyone. They are highly reactive molecules....and it's anybody's guess as to what dose of each particular nitrite will cause symptomatic distress in each person.
The Professor said on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 21:09...
Continue, again, with the straw man fallacy, and you won't get anywhere.
Or makes no sense, yes, and I didn't say it.
Claiming that butyl, isobutyl and isopropyl are extremely toxic, as you have stayed repeatedly, ignores the fact that butyl was the go to popper for decades, that isobutyl was the product for years (although several brands really kept using n- butyl back then) and isopropyl CAN be very dangerous, but also can be tamed. L.
Absolutely NO truth to what you just said. I've posted previously the ACTUAL toxicities involved, not your individual perception.
I have never said they aren't toxic. YOU are the one claiming that they are an 'Elixer of life' and other nonsense.
It's a matter of degree; yes they are all toxic (barely meeting the actual requirement for toxicity) and of the bunch, n-Amyl, your favorite is the MOST toxic.
Not an Elixer of life, but a physical challenge; that's all I'VE ever said about it, and i DON'T claim to have the best recipe, as you demand, I just know how to do it properly.
Triple nine purity and below 1% un-reacted alcohol is extremely suitable for me
Yes, it can be done better, by going colder, but that would mean pressurizing the reaction vessel, and I don't want to bother.
Your focus is on me for some reason, when it should be on the nitrite.
Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 15:21...
Quote...."They're not toxic if your make them right"...said the Professor. I rest my case.
Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 15:28...
Oddly, the Professor never describes in detail how each nitrite should smell. Certainly, this would offer clues as to how close each brew is to the actual desired nitrite.
Smelling like "sex" as Charlie put it is not something anyone could identity as an odor. I have tried my best to describe the scent of the poppers I make and have purchased. Some literature says poppers smell fruity. If so, the NAN I just tried to make does indeed have a fruity, sprite like, clean odor. I bought 95% isopentyl nitrite from Alfa and it had a slightly fruity odor, but quickly turned foul after opening. Butyl nitrite from Sigma Aldrich has the marked "deodorized lockerroom" scent when left open in a room and degrades into a sweet banana odor...the residue left in the bottle. Isobutyl Nitrite from TCI has a sweet chemical odor akin to nail polish compounds. Of those odors, NAN, with the clean Sprite like odor is the most pleasant, assuming this is the true odor of NAN.
Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 15:33...
The Professor once stated his amyl nitrite smelled like camphor....which I later learned is a sign of isopentyl nitrite, which can exhibit this type of funky camphorous odor during degradation. But camphor is not the true scent of Isopentyl nitrite. As I've stated...it's fruity. I bought 500 mls of 95% Isoppentyl nitrite and it smelled fruity before I opened it and after....no hint of camphor. I also bought 95% isopentyl nitrite from TCI and it smelled funky and unpleasant the minute I opened it, an obvious sign of degradation.
Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 15:38...
According to Wikipedia....alkyl nitrites....
"The compounds have a distinctive fruity odor."
The Professor said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 17:20...
First; ' not toxic if you make them right' was with regard to your method leaving lots of un-reacted alcohol, and of the nitrosated alcohol's, n-Amyl is the MOST toxic.
Aroma is NOT an indicator of anything valuable; it will lead you on a ghost chase; if you EVER experience fully saturated product total realize how silly you sounds right now.
Chasing Aromas is a waste of time.
You might think that you are overwhelming the conversation, but triplicate posts just sound desperate.
Repeating the same debunked statements, over and over, makes you look like you have a comprehension problem.
Has your swollen spleen started to affect your brain?
Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 22:52...
The Professor has ZERO idea how a clean, pure individual nitrite should smell. Total BShitter!!!
popperass said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 22:54...
I agree with Anon....poppers definitely have their own distinct odors. You can tell when they are good by their odors.
The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 00:55...
Ken forgets that before I started with blends, I made individual Nitrites from all of the alcohols i was interested in. I've made N-Amyl, N-Butyl, Sec-Butyl, Tert-Butyl, N-Propyl and IsoPropyl).
When prepped at -12C, and with filtering out the butyric acid solids (which are responsible for most of the odors, and get progressively more nasty as the nitrite degrades) their aroma is virtually absent.
Popperass; i don't doubt that you get aromas from OTC stuff; it has a large amunt of unreacted alcohol in it by the time it's purchased, and if used and stored from the same bottle (air exposurfe) the aroma gets more bitter, stronger and nastier).
That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about a pure nitrite with less than 1% unreacted alcohol; and with no Butyric acid presnt, there is practically no odor.
The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 00:58...
Does a swollen spleen make you grumpy?
I know it explains ken's trouble metabolising alkyl nitrites, but does it also make you a willfully ignorant grumpus?
Charlie said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 04:26...
My statement about my n-butyl nitrite smelling like sex was a tongue and cheek comment because it is really hard for me to describe in words my n-butyl. It is unlike anything I remember purchasing OTC.
In all seriousness, my latest batches are in line with what the Prof. just described - moatly absent. If there is a scent, and yes, there is a very mild one, which my husband notices in the air more than me, it is mild. Lately, I do not focus on the scent to determine a good batch of n-butyl. I tell the strength of my nitrite primarily by how it makes me feel. I can tell how good my nitrite is by how warm my body gets and how immersed I feel while watching porn. The scent has really not helped me determine strength at all. I notice a vial will smell the same over a week, yet it has completely different effects on day 1 vs day 5.
Anon, you are right about the residue smelling slightly like bananas. I do notice that the dried paper towel smells like that if I have left it to dry in the centrifuge tube overnight.
Charlie said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 05:27...
- tongue in cheek!
The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 13:55...
Charlie; I have the same experience. Aroma isn't an indicator for me. There is a very slight aroma, but aroma isn't the prime characteristic I'm interested in. As long as it doesn't interfere with effects, it could smell like licorice.
Even Ken, underneath whatever he's become, knows this. He mentions that some of his 'best' failures smelled like water.
Anonymous said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 14:33...
@Charlie.....all the literature, which is easy to google, states alkyl nitrites have distinctive fruity odors. Alexander in NJ states in their MSDS that the odor of their isopentyl nitrite is "fruity". According to the Professor, the odors come from the base alcohol, BUT I know firsthand that the odors of the base alcohols are NOTHING like the finished product. And nothing in the literature states that the odors of alkyl nitrites are due to impurities, such as base alcohol. Knowing the characteristic odor of each nitrite, as well as degradation odors, is going to be very helpful, absent a known standard sample one can test for effects alone and then compare to one's home brew. I trust the odors and purity of the factory made and tested alkyl nitrites I have purchased MUCH MORE than anything the Professor makes and sends out as his gospel truth.
Anonymous said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 14:41...
@Charlie....since you are getting some type of banana scent, you might be getting close to a pure butyl nitrite. BUT, without the distinctive deodorized locker room scent, I would question the purity. I had no idea what butyl nitrite smelled like before I bought the sample from Sigma. I wasn't expecting any particular odor. It was by chance that I had left the bottle open for a few minutes in my room and upon my return, the second I crossed the threshold into my room, the odor of "locker room" immediately hit me. It was marked, came out of the blue, and I was 100% certain of the nature of the odor. Somewhere in my memory bank, I had smelled that odor and I immediately associated it with a locker room that had recently been deodorized. I also immediately realized this was the basis for the first brand name for an OTC popper, for for LockerRoom Marketing in BC, Canada. Poppers can be used for room deodorizers, which means they will have the aroma property of such compounds. The NAN I just made has those properties, plus very strong effects.
Anonymous said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 14:54...
@Charlie....the manager of LRM in Canada said that BN was hard to make, but he didn't elaborate as to why. They've been in business over 20 years if that means anything.
The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 15:16...
Oh, Ken? why pick on Charlie, and want the sudden outburst of crazy talk from you?
Are you pissed because I brought up your spleen problem?
That's not Charlie's fault, it's your problem to deal with.
The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 15:24...
Notice how he's telling you you are full of shit, and type opinion is junk because HE doesn't understand that you are NOT making at a level he has ever experienced.
He'll bring up the same examples of what he 'knows', even though his ideas have been disproven multiple times.
The pompous 'only I've been studying what it should smell like' chest thumping has no bearing on what you are doing; it's a nuisance, being a nuisance.
Funnily; Ken is now berating you for your ideas, yet he tries to present himself as the kind same generous one that's only trying to save people.
Anonymous said on Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 18:16...
@Charlie....I strongly advise you to never challenge Thomas the Professor. He's been carrying on like this for 10 years. I wish there was an ignore button. As long as you praise him and don't challenge his know it all knowledge...you'll be OK.
The Professor said on Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 18:38...
Perfect example of reflection there ken.
translation: "Never trust a word that Ken is saying; he's been caught lying, and has been proven to be a dangerous maker.
If you try to access the part of his brain that can still count, and try to warn others of his extremely dangerous ideas, he'll hound you like there's no tomorrow (often in triplicate).
The Professor said on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 16:24...
readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.
He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.
another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney
Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)