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This Was Joe Miller

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Topic created by Doctor of Nitrites
on Sun, 22 May 2022 at 18:52

Doctor of Nitrites said on Sun, 22 May 2022 at 18:52...

Joe Miller essentially INVENTED nitrites. They were around for hundreds of years before his discovery, but Joe Miller was the man who enabled their widespread distribution through the gay community. Back in the 50s you could get poppers over the counter, and the FDA's hitmen did not like this so had them outlawed. Everyone suffered because of it and sex was never the same until a REAL INNOVATOR (the McCoy of Nitrites) Joe Miller set foot in an Eli Lily facility and made contact with the last man who knew how to manufacture them. The recipe changed hands on a yellow legal pad, and for the next three decades, Joe Miller made the best real poppers out there. They were 100% pure unlike anything else you can buy today. Nothing even comes close to his recipe. The suppliers went down one by one, and his original recipe was either shredded or might have even been locked in a vault due to its value. Nobody has made poppers the same since the demise of this brilliant mind.

The Professor said on Sun, 22 May 2022 at 19:19...

Alkyl nitrites were DISCOVERED by T Lauder Brunton is the late 1800's.

ELI Lilly was making prescription Amyl Nitrite (a mix of isomers) from 1960-1968 for the treatment of angina.

In 1969, ELI LILLY asked for the medication to be made prescription only because they were worried about abuse.

in 1972 CLIFFORD HASSING invented butyl nitrite Lockerroom.

1976 Pacific Western Distributing Corp. of SAN FRANCISCO, chaired by INVENTOR JAY FREEZER, released a Butyl nitrite called Rush.

Joe Miller was a distributor that took over from Jay Freezer when he died of AIDS in 1985.

Joe Miller was not a chemist, but he was a voracious advertiser and pressed millions into the palms of legislators to keep the party running

The ELI lilly chemist got involved with PAC-WEST AFTER Jay freezer's lineup, and helped Joe Miller develop the variant named Quiksilver, which was very nice and smooth back in the 80s.

The product was often tainted with things like chlorine and chloroform (both Pac West AND Lockerroom stuff.

The FDA did NOT raid Joe Miller's plant.

The PWD license for manufacturing alkyl nitrites still exists, and some manufacturer's have bothered to pay for licensing; their IMPLEMENTATION of what is basic chemistry leaves much to be desired.

Anonymous said on Sun, 22 May 2022 at 20:04...

There is no such thing as 100% alkyl nitrite. It is simply impossible. No more pure than 98% is possible to made and it is quite a new achievement and needs professional workers and is laboratory made product (not industrial).

All talk that poppers is made of 99% pure nitrites is nonsense. And if made of that the product has no more than 30 - 50% nitrites.

ROY-GBP said on Mon, 23 May 2022 at 06:51...

A few truths mixed in with many untruths, but that is what makes legends and lore exactly what they are. Joe bought PWD from Jay in the late 70's after a fire destroyed PWD San Fran. That is when the yellow notel pad recipe came into existence. It is actually very basic and definately low tech. It was IBN. Joe made many millions off that recipe and did delve into attempts at different blends, but no amyl, sorry. FDA only took interest because Joe was selling JJ Plat and labeling it as Amyl because that is what the LockerRoom Canada label claimed. It was actually IBN, so the FDA hit a dead end. Other agencies were also there, but Joe had dealt with all of them before. No motivation to off himself. The raid and investigation went nowhere. A big distributor in Denver was raided at exactly the same time for doing the same thing. Printing labels for JJ Plat that claimed amyl as the contents. Nothing became of that raid either.

Hanky Code said on Mon, 23 May 2022 at 11:37...

Joe bought PWD from Jay in the late 70's after a fire destroyed PWD San Fran.


the yellow notel pad recipe came into existence.


+ most of above is pure bullshit; excepting the post by "The Professor"

"Joe Miller made the best real poppers"

hahahaha LOL...he didn't make poppers, that idea is so ridiculous! It is clear you do not know anything about him, or the corporate structure of what you think of as "PWD" Miller was a brand guy.

"a voracious advertiser" sure, but he was also a fervent supporter / activist for gay rights in those homophobic days - he was passionate about that.

ROY-GBP said on Tue, 24 May 2022 at 00:31...

Continue on with you fantasy BS Hanky. It is amusing.

Elvis said on Tue, 24 May 2022 at 14:44...

I guess I'm very lucky to have been able to experience them. My first time was probably 1987 or 1988. Basic RUSH from a new Lion's Den adult store in Ohio USA. Awesome stuff. You could hit it straight from the bottle. And stay potent till it was pretty much gone.

One thing that I wish I could remember, but I can't. They had multiple other brands for sale. There was one particular one that was more expensive than the others. And the bottle was shaped differently too. It was skinnier and maybe slightly taller than the RUSH type 10ml bottle. Was it something more potent ? I don't know. I don't remember ever purchasing it. I was plenty happy with the RUSH.

The Professor said on Tue, 24 May 2022 at 15:02...

Elvis, what country are you in?

I ask because I'm the USA, in the 80s, pwd Rush would always give us a huge headache, the worst headache of our lives. It was a 'right of passage' of you wanted to do it.

The bottles went stale fairly quickly also, walkthrough the potency of butyl was much nicer than the Amyl ampoules we were getting from our scoutmaster in the 70s.

Jimmy said on Tue, 24 May 2022 at 18:37...

Joe Miller was the greatest genius that ever walked The Earth.

Elvis said on Tue, 24 May 2022 at 19:35...

@ The Professor

Yes USA. I don't remember getting a headache from them. But I was probably 16 or 17 years old at the time when I first used them. Not a whole lot bothered me back then. A buddy of mine introduced them to me as just another way to get a cheap buzz. I'm sure it was butyl then. But yeah, I remember getting a long time and use out of a bottle.

I should have known, but it only took a short time before I knew why they sold them in sex shops. A few hits off the bottle while looking through a Hustler or High Society mag and my cock went to life and the magic started happening.

The Professor said on Tue, 24 May 2022 at 20:11...

We would use the bottles until they were empty also, but the headache was always there, and after about half of the bottle was gone, the aroma was very noxious. With names like bolt (a headache so severe it feels like your head was in a vice) we thought that was normal.

Elvis said on Wed, 25 May 2022 at 14:24...

Not to keep beating the Joe Miller dead horse, but was his business responsible for producing butyl for non PWD brands ? I remember probably 15+ years ago you could purchase poppers from Amazon.com. And I did. There for awhile I was getting this brand called " Nitro " White bottle I think. And they packed one hell of a punch. It even remained in my purchase history up until a few years ago.

My last RUSH purchase was probably 10+ years ago. I think it was labeled as being made by some manufacturer called " Rusty Anchor " I just gave up on them after that.. I honestly have no idea if PWD labeled bottles are any good now or not.

The Professor said on Wed, 25 May 2022 at 16:18...

Nitro in particular is still around. Personally, the version I've tried (probably 5 years ago) wasn't remarkable.

AFAIK, Joe Miller's great lakes products company manufactured the products, and his Pacific west distributing company sold them.

Anonymous said on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 11:37...

I only started doing poppers in the first few years before Joe Miller's death in 2010. I NEVER got a headache once....never experienced one side effect. It was always fun in a bottle....whiffing repeatedly straight from the bottle. No distinct memorable odor. Different labels purchased from all over the place....in my small city adult store, online(PictureBrite in Denver), various other online vendors, bathhouses, and other retail establishments. All labels....Pigs Sweat, JJ Real, JJ Triple Platinum, Amsterdam....etc. etc. ALL GOOD...All SIMILAR odor and effects!!! None of it made a room smell like a Lockerrroom(Butyl Nitrite), none of it smelled camphorous(isopentyl nitrite), none of it smelled like nail polish remover(isobutyl nitrite) and none smelled like magic marker(isopropropyl nitrite). That leaves us with normal amyl nitrite made from one pentanol. Since I don't know the exact odor of NAN, I can't say. It's too expense to buy a sample of NAN. You literally cannot buy it without forking over a lot of money.

The Professor said on Mon, 30 May 2022 at 17:27...

yeah Ken, we know what you think, you've posted the same text over aqnd opver and over and over


And it's just as wrong as the first time you said it.

there's no 'joy in repetition' if you're banging BS

Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 16:02...

Wow...Thomas from NE....total useless attack garbage as always. You don't come here to inform but to attack. It's blatantly obvious.

Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 16:04...

Thomas from NE, the Professor, has no clue what Joe Miller was selling/making in the last few years of his life. He implies he does...but he does NOT. He has no proof....no tested bottle from that period. Just attacks every theory, possibility cause he has no serious interest in reproducing exactly what Joe had been making.

Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 16:05...

According to the Professor, his toxic butyl combo shit is better than Joe's so why try to discover the real truth about Joe's formula.

Anonymous said on Tue, 31 May 2022 at 16:08...

I almost feel bad for Thomas, the crippled old PTSD'd vet who can barely get around these days....so he sits at his PC and seeks adoration for his knowledge of poppers and attacks all who dissent and do not adore him. He really is a bitter old man.

The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 15:07...

Another triple post nightmare. Starting to sound like trump tweets now. Ridiculous

The Professor said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 15:10...

But please continue, it informs others Who might otherwise think that your ideas have merit.

Hanky Code said on Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 16:28...

PictureBrite in Denver......oh he sold y'all genuine PWD did he?

> bathhouses, and other retail establishments.

Genuine PWD? bathhouses...nah.. might have been, but you have no idea back in those days. More likely they were copies out of FL. That's why this dude, who you heap with praise, promoted Captain Rush and those cartoon strips.

The contents in commercial US poppers were mostly the same, it was all commercial iso-butyl. iso-b is basically the best, but really a young man's game...yep...pentyl is more forgiving, guys.

Anonymous said on Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 18:33...

@hanky code....if they were copies, they were good....I don't get addicted to crap. I don't like drugs, cigs or alcohol....I'm not prone to liking crap.

Point is...ALL and I mean ALL poppers turned to crap after he died. There's only one reason why. He was selling HIS everywhere. Nobody knows if they were IBN or not.....IBN smells like nail polish compounds...it's not a very pleasant odor....I do NOT remember that odor.

The Professor said on Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 18:45...

IsoButyl nitrite does NOT smell like nail polish remover; the aroma ios very subtle and non-decript. You know this Ken, and have made IsoButyl that you have described as such previously, but oh yeah, you are a proven liar who's word is worthless.

Your post above, for example, in which you 'pretend' to have sampled all the available products.

In your younger manifestation, you claimed that you only got involved with Poppers during the last year of Joe Miller's life, and the only internet picturebrite.

Altogether, if you were telling the truth THAT time, you mentioned that you'd only sampled approx a dozen bottles.

From THAT experience, your imagination swelled into 'EVERYTHING JOE MILLER WAS MAKING WAS SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY' when in fact, you got lucky to have had such consistency over a dozen bottles or so.

More lies from nowhere

Give It up Already said on Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 03:38...


Man, why don't you just shut up. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Usually you go on and on about how you can tell the quality of a popper by the aroma, yet here you are saying the best stuff you ever did had no smell.

And you don't get addicted to drugs? You're clearly overdoing it with the poppers. You're going to drop dead from reckless misuse of them. I get the impression that if you did indeed drink (although no reason to believe that you don't after the metric tons of bullshit you've dropped on this site) you would probably be the kind of guy who drinks the cheap mouthwash from Walgreens when you couldn't get anything else.

I've read enough of your over the top rants about the various holy grails you've found and shoved up your nose to know that you're experiencing some sort of placebo effect or outright psychosis. Maybe that's why on 5/30 you're complaining about dropping to the floor from obvious abuse of your poppers to posting about yet another magnificent discovery on 5/31. At least you've been sparing us the pretentious snootiness of your ridiculous descriptions of the "nose" of your poppers - or with you last batch did you detect notes of leather, cherries, apples, peaches, pumpkin pie and ass crack?

The Professor said on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 16:23...

readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.

He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.

another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney

Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)


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