DIY Tip Brown Gas Cause....
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Topic created by Anonymous
on Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 21:19
Anonymous said on Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 21:19...
OK....I'm calling this one.....a major reason there will be lots of brown gas(nitrogen dioxide) seen during some reactions....is BECAUSE the alcohol is not working right for whatever reason, likely it's degraded.
Here's another tip....when premixing amyl alcohol with HCl, the mixture should be clear and stay mixed. If it's cloudy and separates, the amyl alcohol is no longer good.
Another tip...DO NOT premix the alcohol with the HCl and leave in freezer overnight. Use the mixture right away after chilling.
Anonymous said on Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 21:21...
Making a good popper....one that's highly pure....should be easy. When brown gas evolves, despite cold temps and slow enough addition, the alcohol has taken a shit is is NOT performing as it should. It should grab onto the nitrogen way before it leaves the pot as gas.
Anonymous said on Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 21:28...
A fresh popper should make the heart rate fast and loud(in one's ear) within a few minutes. This is a tell tale sign, that fucker is good.
The Professor said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 17:30...
Nothing to do with alcohol
The brown gas is NO2
NO2 is a poisonous gas that is an undesired product on the preparation.
A preparation embodiment is comprised of apparatus and procedure that establish an environment that collects reactants, introduces them to each other for a period of time and expels the products.
a PREFERRED embodiment provides an environment that either favors the desired products (e.g. using a catalyst to accelerate production of the desired product), or discourages the undesired products.
In a PREFERRED embodiment, they're is absolutely zero NO2 produced.
NO2 evolves when highly energetic HNO2 (just born from hydrogen (from the acid) and NO2 (from the sodium nitrite) meets highly energetic oxygen molecules that rape the HNO2 of it's H
A PREFERRED embodiment who's that, by a combination of isolating the reaction point from atmosphere, and starving the traction vessel of stray energy.
Simple. Drop reactants under the surface and use a suitable ice bath set point.
Anonymous said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 20:49...
As yet more evidence that Pentanol alcohol does in fact degrade and become unusable.....is my most recent brew of amyl nitrite. The alcohol had been producing low quality AN after the first month of use...back in December 2021. The alcohol has been sitting in the freezer for 4 months now...with lots of air on top of the fluid.
I made a small brew using fresh Duda SN made on January 6, 2022. And I saw lots of NO2....got a very spicy weak AN. Three days later after sitting frig, the AN is positively repulsive and bitter, even with Kcarb in it.
However, the IPN, using fresh alcohol from Walmart, never gave off any visible NO2 and was positively strong and good smelling out of the pot....and stayed very clear/transparent yellow.
The Professor is WRONG about the alcohols going bad.
Anonymous said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 20:52...
The alcohols do ABSOLUTELY go bad....and this accounts for vast variation....in the end product. This accounts for weak brews.....this is why the Professor always claimed his amyl nitrite was weak. His alcohol was shit.
Anonymous said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 20:55...
I am starting to agree with the Professor on one minor point....the pure poppers should NOT smell very sweet.
The IPN I used to make...that was sweet and toxic(using too little acid at too cold of temps).....is now more mild and aromatic....almost nondescript...neither sweet nor bitter. It's likely true of the other nitrites....they should likely NOT smell very sweet when pure.
The Professor said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 20:59...
you fail because you are3 a failure, NOT because of some imagined alcohol degradation.\
You've said the same thing about EVERY reactant and you have been wrong in each case.
Vast variation in the end product is NOT from decomposed alcohol (or acid, or nitrite, or amount of water as you've DEMANDED previously.
Vast variation is from trying to undergo the prep in an uncontrolled environment.
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 21:34...
your 'evidence' is junk. you attempted the procedure in a demonstrably unfavorable environment (producing NOx is a waste of HNO2) and the boiled off reactants were responsible for not FULLY saturating the alcohol.
There's a plateau to O-nitrosation that's not linear (it's more gaussian).
IOW, nitrite X (100% nitrosated) will have the highest reactivity that the alcohol of choice's vapor pressure provides, while nitrite Y (only 90% nitrosated) will SEEM to be MUCH WEAKER than only 10% less than saturation.
That's what you have demonstrated, one of the disadvantages of trying to undergo a very weak exothermic reaction in a high energy environment.
There's an unknown amount of waste of reactants ( unless you have an extremely consistent drip rate you'll never be able to characterize the losses you need to make up for by adding excess HCL).
The environment at or near room temperature is awash with enough energy to generate many obnoxious side reactions, as well as the desired reaction.
Nothing in the apparatus is doing any discriminating, so there's no reaction control (either encouraging the desired product or discouraging undesired reactions).
Of course, if you undergo a procedure that ISN't controlled, and do NOTHING to encourage desired product , or discourage undesired product, well, you get what you've been getting for 12 yrs; unreliable crap.
No mystery there
kens-anus said on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 21:36...
see. you even disagree with yourself
Anonymous said on Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 20:53...
Thomas the ASSWIPE from NE has impersonated others again.
He cannot debunk the fact that QUALITY matters just as much as his protocols he copied from online literature.
Anonymous said on Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 22:29...
Just made another stellar IPN brew....91% from Walmart.
SAW absolutely no brown gas and added the acid/alcohol pretty quickly, dripping from above...ice bath and cold reagents.
Tested and got the heart beat in ears....quick ass relax....and ZERO toxic effects. It's good
Oh...and as usual, gas should escape forcefully when opening bottle. That's a sign it's potent and good.