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Topic created by Canuck SB
on Thu, 9 Sep 2021 at 01:00
Canuck SB said on Thu, 9 Sep 2021 at 01:00...
So i went ahead and ordered from this site since i heard
From nitritespecialist that their LRM product are legit i will also verify once i recieve my order with LRM.
Im from Canada,Quebec so it will take a while i will report back on this thread if it gets buried i will start a new topic with the Current topic name and update next to it
Canuck SB said on Thu, 9 Sep 2021 at 01:37...
I ordered 4 LRM JJ black label 30ml bottles
The Professor said on Thu, 9 Sep 2021 at 18:28...
the opinions here vary wildly, as usual, from 'does nothing' to ;amazing'
Canuck SB said on Fri, 10 Sep 2021 at 03:47...
I would much rather home brew,
Ive opened a thread on reddit but still nobody interested
In supplying reagents which is shitty i really hope a cool chemist comes around and i get a good supply hookup.
Patience is Bliss!
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 10 Sep 2021 at 13:38...
@Canuck....it's 9-10-21 and I just had small session with my 2 month old JJ Black...just sitting on my bedroom nightstand all this time. It's still very active and I got a lot of pleasure from it today. Just small whiffs gave short bursts of intense pleasure, BUT they do wear off after a minute or so.
But the duration of potency is quite shocking to me. I attribute it largely to the placement of MS4 and anhydrous potassium carbonate in the bottles. The Kcarb definitely reduces acid buildup and gives a sweeter more pleasant scent. The fact that O2 isn't the primary degrader of poppers indicates that other factors such as acid must be more responsible. This is not to say that the LRM poppers I bought wouldn't be even better if they had been protected from O2. What it does say is that potency/activity can be preserved sufficiently even when NOT protected from O2 exposure.
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 10 Sep 2021 at 16:57...
I just ordered 3 - 30 ml JJ Black...it was cheaper by the package deal.
I don't like the cat piss odor, but it has lost that after weeks/2months of sitting on Kcarb and now it seems better than it was originally in terms of odor and effects.
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 00:11...
If you do delve into making, you'll probably be interested in what to avoid. The following link describes the factors involved with nitrite decomposition.
Despite the above post claiming that often is not much of an issue, it is the second MOST important degradation consideration.
You'll notice a couple of things from the paper.
1. Most to least degrading environments are:
2. Oxygen (makes sense since O2 is a highly reactive gas)
3. Water (being a solvent, it provides a medium within which the compounds can dissociate into cations and anions.
2. Despite the specialist's previous preposition that degradation components will accelerate decomposition, all of the degradation graphs on the report show a linear process. No exponential or logarithmic curves (which would indicate catalyzed or self catalyzing decomposition). The only chart that shows a SLIGHT non-linearity is the water degradation chart, and it is a very minor decision from linearity.
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 00:13...
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 00:15...
Canuck SB said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 02:20...
Thank you very much for the reply,
Once i get started hopefully soon
i will hit you up on reddit if thats ok!
I appreciate all the info and help!
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 08:26...
What I stated is and was misquoted.....is that my LRM's poppers have maintained potency for months despite being repeatedly exposed to air(a source of both water and O2) and stored at RT(higher than the recommended storage temps). I attribute the preservation of both odor and effects to mostly Kcarb and perhaps helped by MS4, a desiccant. This massively demonstrates the duration potential of well made poppers.
The fact that O2 isn't the primary degrader of poppers indicates that other factors such as acid mus said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 17:10...
Slow down there pokey. Misquoted?
"The fact that O2 isn't the primary degrader of poppers indicates that other factors such as acid must be more responsible."...
Which is not the case at all
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 17:13...
When you're ready, message wetcotton to all to join the PopperMakers group there........
Canuck SB said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 17:33...
Thank you again much appreciated!
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 18:32...
Once again the most important point was overlooked in order to launch the ever ending attack of a very sick mind.....that a well made "amyl" popper does NOT have to be stored in the fridge and protected from air in order to get months of potency and good odor.
This point was overlooked because it's NOT what the Professor has been preaching forever. That HIS poppers MUST be kept from air at all costs and at all times...because they turn to shit in hours and a few days at most if they aren't. A true objective scientist/chemist would seek out and try a sample of LRM's poppers in order to confirm whether or not someone else(LRM) has made better poppers that last and last without special storage conditions.
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 19:46...
I didn't overlook the point your are identifying, I smiled because it reveals your bias.
1. First, please provide one instance where I claimed that my product must be removed from air at all times? If you can't, it's because your entire argument is based on the straw man fallacy; mis-identify someone's statement, then argue how it is incorrect...... You do that a lot.
I am simply Relating factual, evidence based write-ups from professional lab tests that reveal the fallacies that YOU have been promulgating.
1. You claim that impurities accelerate decomposition, so an absolutely pure preparation will somehow 'hold together' longer than a preparation that has, for example, 10% impurities.
You've been claiming this for years, without evidence, and now seem to be denying that evidence to the contrary even exists.
For example: decomposition is primarily a linear event, an impure sample will decompose at the same rate as a pure sample, there are no catalyzing or self catalyzing decomposition products.
I've said this before, but evidently the specialist doesn't understand, either that or he purposely makes wild claims against me, and that's not a successful argument strategy, it's just fallacious.
To repeat what I've been saying fire years, Chemistry is not like baking cookies. A few bits of impurities in a cookie will eventually over run the entire cookie, because the bacteria is alive, it grows and it accelerates further decomposition. An alkyl nitrite is NOT like that, and none of it's decomposition products are accelerants either. You disprove your own declaration.
Your recent satisfaction with what you described as weak piss (I imagine that you likely mean an ammonia like aroma?) belies your preference for low activity nitrite, which of course is going to decompose to an even weaker nitrite, which you are also happy with.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying a weaker product, and if that's what does it for your, enjoy, but don't extrapolate your satisfaction with a weaker nitrite with the idea that said nitrite lasts longer (in your perception) because it was produced better than a more reactive nitrite might have been.
That's only furthering your miscomprehension of an area in which YOU have identified yourself as profoundly capable, yet everything you say reveals your misunderstanding.
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 20:53...
"This massively demonstrates the duration potential of well made poppers."
If there is one sentence that reveals ineptitude, it is this one.
in truth, this demonstrates that a low reactive nitrite, (e.g. n-Amyl nitrite, 72% reactive, decomposition activation energy roughly 40kcal/mol), of ANY purity, will decompose at a roughly linear rate as determined by http://poppersguide.com/forum/11630 , and after 18 days, will have degraded by approximately 10% if at roughly room temperature and stabilized with trisodium phosphate ( a stabilizer with effectivity somewhat less than potassium carbonate).
Further, (and admittedly I'm extrapolating a bit here), if one extrapolates the data out to one month, for example, the initial 72% reactivity would now be roughly 42% or so, depending on how you extrapolate).
No, if you are prone to stubborn denial of reality, and even the low reactivity CycloHexyl nitrite (47% reactive at best) is suitable to you, then your opinion MIGHT be that n-Amyl Nitrite preserves 'better' than , for example, N-Butyl Nitrite (81% reactivity, decomposition activation energy still roughly 40kcal/mol)
what you have demonstrated, in fact, is that low reactivity alkyl nitrites SEEM to preserve longer because
a. Being of lower reactivity, less of the nitrite compound will be above that activation energy, it still degrades with the same activation energy, but less of the substance is at or above that hurdle.
b. If one is satisfied even with a very low Hexylk-like reactivity (in the 40% range), then even the decomposed n-amyl will still be suitable.
It doesn't preserve LONGER, you are still satisfied with the lower reactivity that it has decomposed to
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 21:12...
I can't remember if you are at 2 or three months now with your magic bottle of cat piss, has the k-carb started to turn pink yet?
If not, you'll see it soon.
At 1-2%w/v, k-carb is a good stabilizer; it prevents gas evolution in sealed containers. At higher concentrations, it acts like an acid scavanger (similar to Epoxidized linseed oil, but not nitrite soluble).
For example, K2CO3 + CH2H2 (k-carb + formic acid (a decomposition product) = CH3KO + H2O + CO2 (Potassium Methoxide + Water + Carbon Dioxide)
This is a routine acid plus base equals a salt plus water neutralization)
another mght be
K2CO3 + C4H8O2 = C4H7O2K + CO2 + H2O
two things to note;
1. neutralization of an acid leaves a salt as residue
2. neutralizing with ANY carbonate yields CO2 gas
What one is seeing with adding K2CO3 in excess is two fold
1. the accumulating salts (potassium formate,butyrate, etc. will eventually turn the k-carb powder into a pinkish paste, since neutralization ISN't removing anything, it's just changing its form from acidic to potassium or sodium salts)
2. Even a very weak bottle will now 'POP' due to the CO2 buildup.
That pop (or hiss) USED to be a sign of potency, NOW its become a sign of degradation.
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 00:50...
Also, let's not conflate desiccant with absorbent with adsorbent.
the wind farted
"I attribute the preservation of both odor and effects to mostly Kcarb and perhaps helped by MS4, a desiccant."
playing fast and loose with terminology is one thing if its kept to oneself; the same detritus spewing from the orifice of one who calls himself an 'expert' (Popper expert being an alias for KenJones) or 'specialist' (NitriteSpecialist being an alias for the same dude), well, in that case it advances from being a nuisance to being dangerous.
A specialist that claims that a dessicant will work as well as an adsorbent is foisting lies upon the un-initiated.
It leads to questions like "specialist told me that a dessicant will remove water from a nitrite, but the pouch of silica gel I added didn't do anything. What gives?"
Well, what gives is that the specialist is, again, conflating things that he doesn't understand, and promoting them as fact.
What you need to keep a nitrite dry is some type of aDsorbent. An adsorbent sequesters water by trapping it in a lattice of the adsorbent's substrate. An aBsorbent (like a sponge) or a dessicant (like silica gel) will soak up water, yes, but that water remains within the pores of the sponge or within the surface area of the silica; neither of which will sequester the H2O so as to prevent it from reacting with the nitrite.
Elsewhere, the same wind farts
"either MS3 or MS4. But I would try the carbonates first to see if they are sufficient."
I'm reminded of the 'good old days' in which Ken Jones claimed up and down that molecular sieves did nothing but make his nitrite turbid.
According to popchef, ken was at the time on a pH rant, claiming the pH had to be 7 or it was junki, and that the nitrite he remembered from Joe Miller's time was clear and not yellow.
He even confabulated having poured some out onto a white paper and it was clear, as well as havingb tested the liquid's pH at 7.
Long story short: MS3 (3 angstrom pockets) can trap H2O (2.75 angstrom diameter) much better than MS4 (4 angstrom, just a bit too lose to trap H2O as effectively) or Activated alumina (various pocket size from roughly 2-30 angstrom).
You;ll get turbidity with any of these, but the AA and MS4 will allow more H2O to fall out of the pockets and back into the nitrite.
The second part of the suggestion, try the carbonates first, reveals a mis-comprehension of the entire process.
The carbonate will neutralize any acids, but the products will be a salt AND water. Since hydrolysis (decomposition by water) is also an issue, it would be a reasonable thing to address that as well. In this way, both an acid scavenger AND an adsorbant would be advised by a specialist.
The method of stabilization, therefore, and in my opinioin, should be 1-2% potassium carbonate (to prevent gas buildup when bottled), in combination with both an acid scavenger (excess k-carb will work somewhat, but has issues with more highly reactive nitrites, turns pink and cheesy when congested with salts, and tricks you into thinking your nitrite is still active (effervescing Nitric Oxide) when it is really just CO2 gasses from neutralization of decomp acids.
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 00:55...
didn't finish that last sentence. 1-2% k-carb to prevent gas evolution while bottled, an acid scavenger (could be lots of things, the least effective being excess k-carb), and an adsorbent (MS3 preferred over MS4 or AA)
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 00:58...
well, technically, if you're going to claim that I've found some type of secret ingredient, you'd also need a way to sequester neutralization salts of the acids that are scavenged. <sh......>
oh, and although MS3 is better than MS4, there's also another adsorbent that doesn't cause turbidity but works as well as MS3 <sh...>
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 12:50...
Where's the fucking moderator??? This long winded rant has done nothing but deviate and distract from the review and points I've made about LRM's poppers. All I care about are the LRM's poppers I bought from France and how they have lasted for months, which has been noted by another poster who's been buying LRM poppers for much longer than I have. My post was aimed at those who purchase LRM poppers and wish to extend their life using various additives/techniques. For those who don't wish to buy LRM's poppers or don't like them after trying them, just move on...my comments aren't for you. I've said this before, amyl(and now hexyl) poppers are the only poppers that do NOT plunge my blood pressure. It's not a "preference" for a weaker popper that dictates my behavior, it's the sheer fact that I don't want to die from using them.
The Professor said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 00:13...
identify my deviation from your diatribe and misinformation? my posts are entirely informative; I know you don't like the information, since it opposes your opinions, but it exists nonetheless.
demanding censorship doesn't sound like an open playing field to me; it sounds dictatorial
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 15:00...
Tell that to Facebook and Twitter...regarding Trump.....you bend and break all the rules and claim the First Amendment....BS!!!
The Professor said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 15:27...
More projection eh?
You realize that projection is the quickest way to 'know thy enemy' since it's reveals THEIR inner thoughts and motives?
E. G. Ken Jones wished to be a master nitrite king like his idol, Joe Miller. When the forum topic he was running went foul on him because others were succeeding while he failed, he dropped his plans to go into production and take over the poppers world, and started an embarrassing campaign on which he reveals HOS internal feelings, thoughts and motivations while trying to discredit those that disagree with his fantasies.
Have a another, more reactive product? He'll claim that you are poisoning people and hiding truths from them in order to profit ) pure reflection).
Have a technique that improves drying of the product? He'll claim it doesn't so anything, but later appropriate it as his own work.
Mention the fact that HCL acid is a cleaner source of HNO2, and he'll double down on sulfuric acid as the best.
Explain that NaNO2 doesn't degrade as quickly as he thinks, because he's been shopping out from a plastic bag (not an airtight container), and he'll switch to claiming that HCL (practically the most stable acid on the world) goes bad quickly.
Mention the fact that nasty by-products happen at room temperature, and he'll continue to complain about yellow fingers and nasty Aromas.
Every step of the way you were contrary (when you were a maker), and now, as a reviewer, you continue to be contrary
1. You yourself identify your need for attention (you'll say anything to be heard... E. G. You say hexyl is suitable, even though it requires continuous inhalation, you double down rather than learn from your mistakes (e. G. You continue to mention the nitrite you bought froma major chemical supplier, which you KNOW is unsuitable for human inhalation, as evidence for how deadly N-butyl or isopropyl nitrite is.
THAT is the reality in dealing with you
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 16:25...
Talk about living in the past....YOU can just never move forward...it's that ax to grind....When not everybody loves your tainted poppers, you can't help yourself...you go into attack mode and bare an eternal grudge. Wow...like I said....serious mental issues.
I have moved on....I prefer to talk about LRM, their poppers, and legit places to acquire them.
The Professor said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 18:11...
As long as you try to peddle falsehoods, it's practically an imperative for those that know better to respond to your lies; the grudge is not on my end; the disconnect from reality and blatant promotion of falshoods is on your end
The Rabbit said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 23:46...
I love fights over poppers.
The Professor said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 01:21...
It's more fun with pillows rabbit
Canuck SB said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 05:40...
Are you a Gemini?Or maybe Aquarius?
Im probably way off.
The Professor said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 15:45...
Canuck SB said on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 at 03:23...
Cancer's are great people
Very loyal and family oriented
And make amazing Chemist's
do to their unmatched attention to detail!
I myself am a Gemini.
Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 at 12:45...
@Canuck SB.....certainly we all know there are pros and cons to every person, place and thing in this world. This includes every chemical compound, and every way to make a compound.
Whenever you hear someone make claims that there are only PROS(or Cons) to any person, place or thing...including poppers.....BEWARE!!!! That person is coming from a very "biased" place. This biased, hyper-polarized view has become the norm in Western Societies today. Be especially cautious when you have someone claim to be an all knowing expert who only offers up one side of the argument. Always remember, there are many pros and cons to every person, place and thing....and if all you are hearing is one side, either the good or the bad, then there is no way you can make a balanced, objective assessment of that person, place or thing yourself.
The Professor said on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 at 16:37...
I would add, try to remember that when a person continuously avoids questions about sleeves for his ideas (as in period be speculation), and continuously 'puts words in people's mother' so he can argue against them (as in claiming someone says there are only PROs and no downside to a thing (which is absurd), then they are most definitely engaged in a losing battle against reality.
They only have ad hominem, straw man, moving the goalpost and reduction to the absurd in their tool belt.
The Professor said on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 at 16:37...
Sleeves equals sources
The Professor said on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 at 16:40...
Yep, I'm a tropical cancer, usually keep to myself kind of guy, and am a perfectionist.
If I have a prejudice, it's against 'willful ignorance'.
You know, when somebody demonstrates profound miscomprehension, but rather than educate themselves, they double down on what they originally believe.
The Professor said on Wed, 15 Sep 2021 at 21:33...
period be speculation? try facts vs speculation