Artisanal Cleaners...

Topic created by Nitritespecialist
on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 11:43

Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 11:43...

I checked out this site and found a peculiar jargon being used that demonstrates some association with The Professor. Also it states that amyl nitrite is illegal in the USA, which is NOT true. Amyl nitrite and its isomers are only illegal if they are being sold for human consumption WITHOUT a prescription from a doctor. ALL poppers are ILLEGAL if they are made for human consumption.

Case in point, I have purchased isoamyl nitrite several times from large chemical companies with no problem. I could place an order right now if I wanted to. Isoamyl nitrite is CHEAP. Normal amyl nitrite, the good stuff, is NOT. I found isoamyl/isopentyl nitrite to be very unstable with a strong tendency to degrade into a bad odor. Other than some shakiness, I didn't experience side effects from them. There was a range of effects as they rapidly degraded. Adding potassium carbonate to one of them prolonged its activity and helped remove some of the original bad odor. Isoamyl nitrite should have a light slightly fruity odor when fresh and undegraded. But this changes quickly without effective stabilizers.

Ron said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:09...

Is this good or bad news that they are associated with the Professor?

Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:14...

@Ron....whenever a forum commenter has either a direct or indirect commercial connection to a given product, it should be stated. It speaks to motive.

Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 12:22...

I would add, that I personally, have ZERO commercial interest in making poppers or talking about poppers. I just want to experience Joe Miller's poppers again. His were the best I've tried hands down. I also want to help clear up all the confusion surrounding nitrites. I'm not the expert I would like to be....for example, I can't describe the exact effects a nitrite will have at any given concentration OR containing any number of possible impurities. That information can only be gained in the lab using an analyzer that tests composition right before inhalation and in conjunction with various sexual activities. This type of testing has probably never been done.

Ron said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:41...

Hi Nitritespecialist, can I ask if there is a difference between pentyl and amyl, or are they the same? Thanks!

Toby said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:45...

It is a shame that Artisanal Cleaners are no longer benefitting from the shared knowledge of the DIY group which the Professor belongs to. Perhaps they would benefit from additional knowledge and testing.

As the Professor said recently: "They (i.e. Artisanal) won't get any more help from our group (we are a DIY non-commercial group), but perhaps they'll come across another helpful chemist that is also interested in profit, that will work with them."

I wonder what Artisanal did to annoy the DIY group?

Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 14:09...

@Ron....all chemicals have a multitude of synonyms. I suppose it's a chemist's way to make chemistry even more complex than it already is. I believe the CAS number is the same for each distinct chemical across the board. So if the CAS number matches, the chemical is identical.

That said, normal amyl nitrite is identical to normal pentyl nitrite. If the N prefix is left out, it might be an isomer of the amyl group, but a careful chemist would be as accurate as he could be and always clarify which compound he was referring to - either the normal or the isomer form. Isomers are not only chemically arranged differently...meaning their basic molecules look a little different from one another, but they also have different properties. So it's wrong to assume n-amyl nitrite is identical to isoamyl nitrite, an isomer of the amyl group.

The Professor said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 15:29...

@Ron

Yes, pentyl and amyl alcohol are the same compound. The naming conventions have changed since the late 1800s, NOT because chemists want to keep secrets as Dobby conjectured. Amyl through Latin and a slang Greek meaning 'of grain' and pentyl meaning 5 carbon chains.

The Professor said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 15:37...

@Toby:
I never had interaction with the member. 8 always thought it a bit of that a DIY guy would be more concerned with automating the procedure than how to do it properly. Evidently, he got on the wrong side of a fellow member (with whom he was sharing samples I guess) when that member complained that the stuff burned his nose and made him sick.

I don't know the details, but he evidently hasn't fully read our wiki, which clearly states that, although it will reduce the crude yield, WATER must be added to baking soda and being to do a neutralization.

IMO, it's an example of a vendor being greedy and focusing on quantity over quality.

I have no idea what happened to the guy, other than he was removed from the group (I'm not a moderator there) because the groups mission is how to DIY alkyl nitrite and avoid the toxic crap being pushed by vendors.

The Professor said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 15:40...

@dobby
No commercial interest?

What about that series of parts at poppers place? One of the many times you posted 'oh my god, I found it' over the years?

Of course, your product turned to shit days later, but in the meantime you were asking where to source 10ml bottles and getting ready to go into production.

Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 16:17...

I repeat....I have no commercial interest in making and selling poppers or helping anyone else do so because without a known formula that is both safe and effective, a practical way to synthesis that formula and a reliable way to QC periodic batches, other than one's nose, I could NEVER market something that is basically untested and of unknown purity and properties.

The Professor said on Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 17:56...

@Nitritespecialist said

"
Isomers are not only chemically arranged differently...meaning their basic molecules look a little different from one another, but they also have different properties. So it's wrong to assume n-amyl nitrite is identical to isoamyl nitrite, an isomer of the amyl group.
"

The difference between a straight chain compound and its isomers is in the branching of the bonds, yes. That difference affects the isomer's vapor pressure, not its mass, not its valence electrons or charge state.

Looking at compounds of, for example, Amyl Nitrite, you'll see that, although various isomers have various kinks in the chain, the active end (the O-N-O bond) is always the same.

The O-N-O bond is what cleaves to produce NO in the bloodstream; it gives the effects.

With a well prepared example of each, the ONLY physioligical difference between the Amyl nitrite isomers is their reactivity (vapor pressure)

the O-N-O bond strength doesn't change, at all, between esters of n-amyl alcohol or isoamyl alcohol; your talk about n-amyl magically being more stable then isoamyl belies your inability to produce a stable version of the easiest nitrite to prepare. I'm not an Amyl guy myself, not potent enough for me, but many in our group are getting fantastic product from IsoAmyl alcohol.

A mixed blend of isomers, in fact, was the original (by prescription) product in the first place.

Canuck SB said on Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 00:16...

@Nitritespecialist & @The Professor
You guys would definitely make good friends with each other!
I really enjoy the information/content you both provide,its crucial and much needed!
I thank you both good sir's

The Professor said on Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 01:10...

@Canuck SB:

I reccomend staying away from Nitritespecialist (aka madeplentypoppers, aka nitrite expert, aka poppermaker aka Ken Jones).

He has abandoned three forums now, including his own, after being exposed as the charlatan he his

Toby said on Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 04:48...

He is not a charlatan, just gathering data and increasing in knowledge through experimentation...

Mam said on Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 08:14...

@The Professor: please no more AD HOMINEM remarks. Thank you :-)

You have a difference of opinion, OK. I personally think that Nitritespecialist has made some valid points. Please continue, but try to avoid these personal attacks please :-)

"You guys would definitely make good friends with each other!"

@Canuck SB I agree, they should have some beers together. Would be great to be a spectator at that event.

Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 13:22...

@Toby...you are exactly right. I have been experimenting to learn all I can with my limited means about poppers. And I've been willing to upload that information all along. Yes....I've changed my opinion more than once, as any objective and honest experimenter would....as things evolve, perception changes. More data....more experience = change of opinion. Some people are convinced they have all the facts from the beginning and positively resist anything that might demonstrate otherwise.

Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 13:27...

@Toby...you might have noticed I first gave a critical review of Lockerroom's poppers after my first test was disappointing, BUT then during a subsequent test, I had a more positive experience with them, the same bottles. What this demonstrates is NOT dishonesty or fickleness, it shows that it requires more than ONE testing of any bottle to fully and accurately evaluate it because one's perception of the effects can change over time, the bottle's chemistry does change over time and one's exact physiology/mindset varies throughout the day.

GDamn said on Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 00:36...

I really really like the stuff from artisanal. But I aint a popper snob.

Saggy Balls said on Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 15:40...

After several purchases, I have also been fairly happy with Artisanal Cleaner's. I do plan on trying Goldencock Poppers soon. But I'll probably wait until the heat of the summer dies down.

Anonymous said on Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 13:35...

I just paid 50 quid for three bottles shipped from us to uk. Hands down the worst poppers I’ve ever used. Bloody useless. I think I’m gonna knock poppers on the head from now on after years of use. This was the final straw. How can I get class A drugs within five minutes from my house but not a decent bottle of poppers from all over the world. Make it make sense!!!

Billy said on Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 10:51...

Hmm, really? They were rancid/harsh, or just didn't do anything? You got the sample pack?

For me they were great! Like the old days!

Unlike isopropyl and pentyl which were the worst for me.

Outside factors are definitely important, e.g. how horny / healthy you are feeling. Like with any sexual experience.

Anonymous said on Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 14:18...

They just didn't have any real immediate or lasting affect and my chest felt like it was caving in for about three days afterwards. Like really bad and occasionally i'll just have a cough. This felt like I'd done damage and i dignity even hit hard. I'm in great health and don't use anywhere near as regualrly as I used to

Billy said on Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 21:12...

Yes I know what you mean! I used poppers hard in June-July for the first time in three years and it definitely felt like self-harm.

CiCiBottom said on Sat, 6 Nov 2021 at 18:19...

Long time popper user and have tried just about every brand out there. Wanting to try something new I decided to give artisanal cleaners a try I ordered two of their samplers (one bottle of each style they offer). Not sure if I just got some old stock or what but so far I’ve tried 3 of them and they all have given me severe chest congestion along with a slight cough and phlegm which would last for a day or so. I’ve even switched to commercial poppers like rush and double Scorpio to see if it was just my body and I had zero negative effects when using other brands so I know it’s something with these particular poppers. One of the bottles upon opening had a crusty yellowish white buildup on the rim and the solvent itself smelled rancid almost vomit-like.

Definitely won’t be buying these again, not even going to try the remaining unopened bottles…in the garbage they’ll go.