Back to reagent quality....

Topic created by Nitritespecialist
on Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 14:29

Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 14:29...

I have tried the latest German patent and at first it seemed promising. But I assume my SN has degraded too much despite efforts to protect it. It was already producing a worse popper before I commenced the German patent method. The biggest clue that a reagent has degraded is that one brew after the next is subpar and doesn't age well, meaning that within hours or a few days, its odor worsens and the effects are harsh at best. So....I kept hoping for a way around reagent quality issues, but I'm back to square one. Apparently, outside of distillation, once reagent quality diminishes too much, no method seems to work, not for long anyway. I am going to cease making poppers and simply buy commercially made isopentyl nitrite, since it's far cheaper than n-amyl nitrite and butyl nitrite and it doesn't cave my blood pressure like isobutyl nitrite does. Isopentyl nitrite has the disadvantage of degrading quickly and developing bad odors, but the last 100 mls I bought from TCI lasted for about a month after I added preservatives. It always had potent effects, but the funky off odor was a turn off and there wasn't much sense of euphoria, but it's probably better than nothing.

Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 14:39...

I want to thank everyone who sought to make helpful, informative and interesting comments on this forum. I was hoping my ten year quest to make consistent high quality poppers would have ended successfully, but it did not. My personal journey in addition to what others have said about commercially available poppers all point to the difficulties and challenges of making high quality poppers. It's obviously possible since Joe Miller of PWD had done it, but he took his methods to his grave. Those who purchased his PWD brand did NOT likewise adopt his methods because the new PWD product is nothing like the old.

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 00:10...

Links to compare the cost of n-amyl nitrite versus isoamyl nitrite.
https://www.tcichemicals.com/US/en/p/A0455

https://www.tcichemicals.com/US/en/p/I0089#docomentsSectionPDP

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 00:13...

As anyone can read from the links.....n-amyl nitrite is 5 times the cost of isoamyl nitrite for 100 mls. 200 bucks versus 40....and this doesn't cover the cost of the middle man's cut plus his and their shipping costs.

The Professor said on Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 17:38...

Again, Isoamyl alcohol is the only Amyl alcohol isomer that occurs naturally; the other isomers (including N-Amyl alcohol) have to be synthesized.

for comparison, synthetic motor oil is 5-10 times the production cost of conventional motor oil.

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 13:12...

Price of TCI n-amyl alcohol is $23 per 500mls.

Price of TCI isoamyl alcohol is more...$33 per 500mls.

Yet, n-amyl nitrite is 5 times the cost of isoamyl nitrite. Butyl nitrite is at least 2 to 3 times the cost of isobutyl nitrite.

https://www.tcichemicals.com/US/en/p/I0289
https://www.tcichemicals.com/US/en/p/P0055

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 14:16...

I rewashed in sodium carbonate solution and brine my last brews of NAN, made on 4-16-2021. Today is 4-20-21. I waited 24 hours before rewashing. After rewashing and drying on mag sulfate, I bottled the rewashed NAN on a layer of Kcarb and MS4. After 48 hours, I tested for odor and effects. Odor is net zero neutral....no trace of bitterness, acid or any other recognizable odor. More like water. Effects are very strong with strong ass relax and goon effect, but very fleeting.

So....absent distillation, rewashing and using fresh Kcarb and MS4, while aging for a few days MAY help improve the odor and effects of a subpar popper.

PJ said on Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 23:25...

>>Butyl nitrite is at least 2 to 3 times the cost of isobutyl nitrite<<

That is rather interesting in itself. Is there are specific tell-tale aroma difference between the two please? I guess not, forgive me I am no expert! Or maybe butyl was the aroma that many people speak so lovingly of?

Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 22:17...

IBN smells like nail polish remover and BN smells more like bananas or fruit. It has a much sweeter scent and will definitely make a room smell like a deodorized locker room if left open.

The Professor said on Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 22:18...

@NitriteSpecialist

Both the IBN and NBN that I make smell like ginger ale; no locker room odor at all