Why no n-amyl but always isoamyl ? (Europe/France)
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Topic created by BRUCE
on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 18:38
BRUCE said on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 18:38...
I am wondering why no manufacturer/Bottler does not commercializes n-amyl nitritre on Europe/France territory ?
The product is as largely availlable as isoamyl is from usual chinese chem sources, a bit pricier, but i think that there is a market with customers willing to pay the markup price for a premium product.
Why printing AMYL in big letters on product descriptions and bottles when in fact it is isoamyl (written in small letters and the associated CAS) ?
And what about the Pentyl (which really should be the n-amyl if we refer to chemical litterature saying n-amyl = pentyl) but in fact is something else, with "mixed isomers" also written in very small letters on the bottles and who knows what chemical isomer are in there?
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 14:02...
@Bruce....I don't think any popper distributors are going to answer your questions. The only reason anyone would choose to bottle isoamyl/isopentyl nitrite over n-amyl/n-pentyl nitrite is if there is some cost benefit. For example, here in the USA, if I were to buy n-amyl nitrite ready made from a chemical dealer, I could not repackage it in smaller bottles in order to easily sell to the popper market. It's just too high in price. BUT, isoamyl nitrite is doable. The cost is much lower. I could sell a 10ml for $20 and still make a decent profit. Now...if someone in France is actually making poppers in a home lab, then there is no cost difference between making n-amyl and isoamyl nitrite. My guess is that the bulk of the amyl poppers in France are being purchased ready made from some large chemical company.
The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 17:15...
...Why printing AMYL in big letters
because it sells...? Many people still think amyl nitrate is the "real" poppers etc. You will even see journalists write about it like that...hello!...well I agree with specialist...iso-amyl is purchased in bulk and bottled up... but where does it come from? China I would think.
As for labels: there was some really bad labels coming out of Romania with terrible pictures of Captain Rush...haha..anyway, that was very good poppers. As I recall everyone was depressed when they stopped...some years ago now. I think that was butyl...very strong.
But pentyl nitrite is good, yeah?
Mixsix said on Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 17:17...
In Europe AMYL nitrite is isoamyl n and in US n-amyl n. And we Europeans dislike n-amyl and like isoamyl.
The mixed isomers means that the product could contain all amyl isomers and its CAS is the same as isoamyl's, because the main component is isoamyl nitrite.
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 18:21...
@Mixsix...Isoamyl nitrite degrades into a very foul odor far more easily than n-amyl nitrite. It's that dirty socks odor that is legendary. Also, the base alcohol, isoamyl alcohol, tends to give a cough reflex.....and so when isoamyl nitrite degrades into the base alcohol, there's a cough reflex. I also think n-amyl nitrite has a stronger pyscho active effect.
So....there is ZERO reason to bottle isoamyl nitrite over n-amyl nitrite UNLESS there is some cost benefit.
Harry1950 said on Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 06:43...
@BRUCE on 28 March : I have had the same identical questions as you, because I have been purchasing what I considered the best popper products from Poppers.Aromas.EU (France) for the past three years. The formula of every one of these products appears to have been diluted over the past year. Now, there is either no effect at all or very little effect; and virtually none of the products provide the combination of pro-sexual and very enjoyable effects that were provided by the popper products / formulas I purchased back in the 70's and 80's.
I have stated previously on this Blog that N-Amyl Nitrite has a very distinct aroma or odor, which I found very pleasing. None of the popper products advertised as iso-amyl or pentyl nitrite have this distinct aroma. In fact, some of these products now have a very toxic odor, which is an immediate turn-off. I really do not understand how some people can use these popper products and receive some degree of pro-sexual enjoyment.
This evening, I did a short vacuum pumping session and used the Jungle Juice Gold product, which is supposed to be pentyl nitrite. This used to be a fairly good product, but I now receive no enjoyable effects from using it. The formula has clearly been diluted.
Mixsix said on Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 14:24...
But we Europeans still like isoamyl nitrite.
Harry1950 said on Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 01:05...
@Mixsix: Hello and thanks for your initial comments on 29 March, and for your follow-up response above, which I found very, very interesting.
I do not understand why you say "we Europeans still like iso-amyl nitrite." What is the basis of this statement?
If you have ever used real n-amyl nitrite, would you please describe why you prefer iso-amyl to n-amyl? What are the pro-sexual, pleasurable effects you experience from using iso-amyl compared to n-amyl?
As I previously stated, I have purchased and used several of the iso-amyl products (formulas) from Popper-Aromas-EU (France) and none of them have the same aroma as real n-amyl. None of them provide the combination of pro-sexual, pleasurable, and uephoric effects that are provided by real n-amyl.
Can you please identify specifically which iso-amyl product (label name) you have been using, and the vendor [ US or European ] from which you have been purchasing this product? I would be very interested in knowing this information so I can sample this product for myself.
Thanks for taking the time to respond and comment !
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 21:21...
@Harry....I paid a hefty price for Sigma's SN, hoping it would deliver great results. It worked for a few weeks and then today has stopped working, despite using argon to protect it. My N-amyl nitrite now has ZERO sweet odor and no effects. My amyl alcohol could be degraded as well....it's impossible to know the exact purity over time outside a professional lab that has analytical capabilities. So....I am going to resort to buying ready made pentyl from the chemical companies.....it's a huge mark up, but I need to see if it's the magic bullet and whether or not the acid can be removed and it can be preserved.
Harry1950 said on Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:26...
@Nitriespecialist: Hello and thanks for your response. I have been reading all of your posts and greatly appreciate the information you provide this forum. I know that you and I agree that n-amyl nitrite is the best popper and provides the best combination of effects with no negative side effects.
Since n-amyl nitrite is not available, do you consider pentyl to be the next best chemical with less side effects than butyl?
One of the popper products I have been purchasing is Jungle Juice Gold Label and it is supposed to be pentyl nitrite, but the formula has been diluted over the past year and provides very little effect.
A new topic has been started (above) stating the Locker Room when back to the previous formula in March. So, I need to find a vendor that is selling the new formula to determine if it is now improved.
sb said on Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 05:32... said on Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 14:19...
Lockerroom Marketing introduced a new formula for Jungle Juice Gold Label to the market in late March as I learned from a representative. (to be more precise, they reintroduced the old formula after trying a "new innovative formula" in late 2020 which isn't that great). However, all distributors are still well-stocked with the old product. Lockerroom also reverted the design of the box back to the old design, so the new product is easy to recognize.
Any idea ?
Harry1950 said on Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:09... said on Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 14:21...
@sb. Hello and thank you very, very much for this update ! As I have previously posted on this Blog, I have been using the Jungle Juice Gold Label product for three years and during the past year the formula was diluted and provides very little effect.
I would recommend e-mailing Poppers-Aroma.EU Customer Service (France) and ask then if they stock the new product (formula).
Thanks again for this update !
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 10:26...
@Harry1950....I am assuming Normal amyl nitrite, which is the same as normal pentyl nitrite, is the single best popper. I am assuming based on a couple of things I know to be true.....that isopentyl/isoamyl nitrite, close cousins, do not produce the toxic low blood pressure effects that butyl, isobutyl and isopropyl do in me.....and that my home brew n-amyl nitrite similarly does not cave my blood pressure.
However, since I have only knowingly inhaled home brew n-amyl nitrite up to this point, I can't be sure. I do not trust home brew's purity. Another reason I suspect n-amyl nitrite is the best is simply because the mark up at chemical giants is huge....for example, the delivered price for 100mls of n-amyl nitrite to my door is $250 for 100mls....which is 25 bucks per 10mls. Certainly too high for anyone to rebottle and redistribute as a popper, as they would probably want $50 per 10mls bottle. For isobutyl and isopentyl nitrite, the chemical giants charge a lot less.....presumably because they are less desirable for poppers....isobutyl nitrite has a pungent sweet chemical odor of nail polish and caves the blood pressure, while isopentyl nitrite degrades into a foul odor quickly.
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 10:30...
@harry....I am going to buy some NAN from a chemical giant as a standard. I am not wealthy so it will be an extravagance. But I refuse to do what others are forced to do...engage in crap shoots from popper vendor to popper vendor.
Harry1950 said on Sun, 11 Apr 2021 at 07:20...
@Nitriespecialist: Hello and thanks for your response. I continue to appreciate and learn from your comments and experiences.
Good luck with your purchase of NAN. I would be interested to hear how that works out for you.
Until such time as a real NAN product may become available from a vendor [ US, Europe or Australia ] I will continue to use the pentyl, iso-amyl nitrite, and alkyl nitrite products (formulas) - although none of these provide me the same combination of pleasurable effects as NAN.
Can you please tell me what the difference is between alkyl and pentyl nitrite, and how you feel they compare? I have read that alkyl is supposed to be chemically the same as NAN - is that correct?
Lockerroom has a web-site [Junglejuiceplus.com] and I intend to call them to discuss their product formulas. It appears the company cannot sell their products directly to customers in the US.
It appears that a real NAN product may be available for sale in Australia, but the vendors cannot ship to the USA.
I have found that inhaling iso-butyl nitrite vapor immediately caves my blood pressure and makes me feel very anemic. So, I do not use butyl products, and I do not understand how so many popper users - evidently - can use butyl formula on a continuing basis and get any enjoyment out of it without serious side effects.
Thanks again for your on-going comments, which are very much appreciate, and good luck with your NAN purchase.
The Professor said on Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:26...
Of the 8 isomers of Pentyl (Amyl) alcohol, only isoamyl is produced naturally; the others have to be synthesized; Thus, the cost difference
Docent said on Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 19:30...
What is naturally producing?
The Professor said on Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 00:50...
IsoAmyl Alcohol can be extracted from Fusel oil, the rest have to be synthesized artificially, and are much more expensive to produce in quantity.
From a quick glance above, it seems that @Nitriespecialist prefers n_Amyl nitrite over isoamyl nitrite, and is thinking that the difference in price is somehow related to it's preferred use as an Alkyl Nitrite.
A couple of things:
1. The illicit alkyl nitrite market in no way steers the pricing of an of the Amyl alcohol isomers; it is a niche use compared to the quantities produced and sold.
2. production cost is usually the driver of retail cost, and so it is with the Amyl alcohols, no mystery there.
3. N-Amyl Nitrite is 72% reactive as a donor of NO. IsoAmyl nitrite is 75% reactive; the three percent difference in reactivity wouldn't be noticeable by a human; it would take nearly 10% difference in a linear system for a human to be able to detect a difference.
IOW, N-Amyl and Isoamyl alcohol are capable of producing a nitrite that are indistinguishable from one another, and any differences noted between the two are more a function of production method than alcohol chosen.