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Topic created by Nitritespecialist
on Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 10:42

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 15 Mar 2021 at 10:42...

Like anything, there are both pros and cons to poppers. In 1969, the USA authorities pulled USP grade amyl nitrite(isoamyl likely) from the shelves not because it was seen as a health risk, BUT because it was being used for recreation...specifically for sexual fun. The mindset among the "authorities" and scientists flaunting their hard earned Ph.Ds is that any chemical used for "fun" is essentially ABUSE. There is no middle ground, except with regards to "legal" drugs such as nicotine, ethanol and now THC, all of which pose serious public health issues, ethanol being the worst of the legal drugs in terms of its destructive capacity.

Enter alkyl nitrite(poppers), an old drug suddenly made available OTC in 1960. With that easy access of high quality amyl nitrite came the inevitable discovery by millions that it made "sodomy" a whole lot more fun. Obviously, this wouldn't make the authorities too happy in 1969 and so they pulled amyl from the shelves. Butyl and isobutyl nitrite took its place when businessmen outside the chemical trade started to market their replacement for amyl. Even then, users of poppers had preferred amyl nitrite, but since it was not easily available, they resorted to the more toxic cousins....the butyls. N-butyl nitrite does indeed make a room smell distinctly like a deodorized locker room...and so the first brand name chosen for poppers was simply "LOCKERROOM".

Fast forward to 2010, with the death of Joe Miller, the supply of high quality poppers came to an end and has never returned. What remains in the wake of Joe Miller's 30 year reign is mass confusion, disinformation, and very poor quality poppers. It is my belief that this will remain so UNLESS the gay community in particular, working with sympathetic scientists, uncover the essential truths of poppers and the various types, and then develop an organized plan with a specific objective. I am not very hopeful this will happen given the mass confusion among nearly all popper users. BUT there is a glimmer of hope in Australia, where the authorities did acknowledge that amyl nitrite should be made more readily available, as it was seen as being less toxic than the other nitrites commonly used for poppers. As of today, March 15, 2021, I don't think there are any chemical suppliers of USP grade amyl nitrite in Australia that are currently making and selling it in drug stores for personal use among the gay population.

R. Don said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 09:56...

Doesn't help when The European Union decided to ban iso Butyl Nitrite across Europe in 2007 and replace it with eye-damaging iso Propyl Nitrite.
There does seem to be a glimmer of hope now as Pentyl Nitrite seems to be making a comeback.

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 12:52...

@R.Don....Some have made much about isopropyl nitrite causing eye damage....apparently this has happened.

BUT from my personal experience from making and using isopropyl nitrite, I would say that by far the worst part is the almost immediate caving of blood pressure, which makes you feel like shit, and then when used more often, it causes anemia(fatigue) that can last 24 hours or longer. It does this far greater than amyl/pentyl nitrite does. The butyl group falls in between isopropyl and amyls.....less toxic effects than isopropyl, but more so than amyl.

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 13:00...

@R.Don....If my objective were to discourage sodomy, by discouraging popper use, I would BAN all poppers entirely. BUT if I had to keep one nitrite legal, and still hate sodomy, I would only allow isopropyl nitrite to be legal. Why? Because it's toxic garbage...the worst popper possible and thus, hopefully, people will use it less....and not like it enough to become psychologically addicted to it. This is the only possible explanation for why I think IPN could ever be legally "elevated" above amyl nitrite.

R. Don said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 13:17...

I never experienced caving of blood pressure before 2007 with butyl. Nor did I experience sore eyes, shortness of breath and turning blue.

R. Don said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 13:42...

Uk poppers in the 90's were labelled 'alkyl nitrites' as the law back then was more relaxed. Around the year 2000 the labels stated 'contains iso butyl nitrite'. In 2007 the safety cap became mandatory and the 'new formula' iso propyl nitrite became the replacement.

T80 said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 16:13...

An intelligent and interesting post derailed (as usual) by the same repetitive (and very boring) story that has been told on nearly every thread for years about a UK product.. IPN. IPN is not seen many places else...certainly not in the USA or Europe. So annoying to see this every time....

Whenever you see "The European Union" and " eye-damaging" you can bet it is the same tiresome waffle.

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 18:49...

@R.Don...I didn't start poppers until 2008, and then only from USA OTC retail sales and also from Picturebrite.com. which no longer sells poppers. So I have ZERO personal experience with any poppers made and sold before 2008. BUT, I have had tons of experience making poppers...and also buying high purity nitrites(not high quality) from large chemical companies. Nobody can trust the labels. Apparently this has always been true. So...the odor/effects and perhaps rate of evaporation are what we have to go on and that can be tricky if there are sufficient impurities present. Isopropyl nitrite is made from rubbing alcohol...so that's a familiar odor that could easily be present in IPN poppers. When it's pure, it's VERY VERY sweet and aromatic. It evaporates very quickly and the bottle feels cold in one's hand. As it degrades into rubbing alcohol, it acquires the bitter scent of that alcohol. Intoxication of IPN is rapid.

Butyl and isobutyl nitrite are cousins. Butyl has the distinct odors mentioned before, more like bananas/deodorized lockerroom. IBN has a sweet distinct odor of acetone/nail polish compounds. Intoxication of these two is similar, but IBN may happen faster and for longer. By intoxication, I mean all the bad effects...loss of clear speech, ringing in the ears, plunging blood pressure, anemia, fatigue.

Amyl nitrite smells better, much more mild and slightly sweet fruity. It's much slower to produce total intoxication, but still has lots of pleasurable effects.

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