Brewing small batches for sporadic use ?

Topic created by BRUCE
on Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 17:38

BRUCE said on Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 17:38...

Hi friends !

I am not a huge user, only a few inhale for self playing routine, and maybe only once by week because of side effects.

I discovered poppers more than 30 years ago, could use anytime with no side effects.

Now reaching age 50, i get cough and running nose the day after with OTC "premium" amyl or pentyles if don't crack-open an unopened vial.
Reusing a 2-3 days vial (stored in cold and dark) is not an option anymore.

Even using an unopened OTC vial might also start lungs getting iritated in the 2-3 hours after use and for 1-3 days, and i tend to think this relates to the product being stored too long before reaching me.
Have already tried molecular sieves and K carbonate on received product, but this does not reduce irritations on already stale products nor reduce effects if using a few days after opening.

Sometimes, the fresh OTC vial brings no side effects, but this is very rare.

With all of this, I am considering brewing for myself, which should remove the "freshness" factor from equation and confirm whether i can stand fresh brewed amyl nitrite, or confirm that i am too old for this...

Question for the specialists:

Is it possible for one to brew very tiny ammounts of amyl (a few ml) for single use, in order to always use fresh product ?
And does it requires a lot of glassware and time to produce/rince ?

Also, i see several mentions of washing and drying, does it relates to acquiring glassware like vaccum filter where you filter several times the byproduct of filtering ?

Thanks for your contributions !

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 18:33...

You can brew 5 to 10ml brews, BUT you have to really love poppers to make it worth the effort. I included a Google patent in a recent post that has a workable method/ratios of reagents. I would start with one-pentanol to make amyl poppers. Try to find a legit chemical company that will send it to you. Science Company in Denver might.

Duda supplies the food grade SN that is made in the USA in Syracuse.

Muriatic acid can be found at Menards or other big box stores.

You can buy anhydrous sodium or potassium carbonate on Amazon. You may have to search to buy MS4 sieves that primarily absorb higher amounts of water.

You can buy pure baking soda at a grocery and iodine free table salt and distilled water as well.

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 18:36...

You should buy a small mixer with stir bars, but everything can be done with pipettes and small glass jars. Never breathe the vapors coming off the reaction glass. It contains toxic nitrogen dioxide.

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 18:38...

Do not buy in house amyl alcohol or isoamyl alcohol. One pentanol is what you want. In house can be old and degraded and isoamyl is less stable and can cause a coughing reflex.

justChem said on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 22:26...

I dont think that amyl or isoamyl gona degrate so much before he make his conclusion ,about the freshness of nitrite. So I would go with my favorites nitrites and amyl and iso amyl are much more easy to produce without contaminants.
So the only think from grassware that is realy important (and not house material) is a seperatory funel . You can found one for 12pounds
You also need a scale 0.01g accuracy another 8 pounds
Except from alcohol and NaNO2 you can find them pretty easily . Prefer HCL acid .Bake some soda to get your acid netralizer .Get Salt for cooling and also for water-nitrite seperation .And you allready have MS for final stage water seperation.Also H2O must be medical grade (pharmacy)

justChem said on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 22:30...

Last but not least a stirring bar (2-3 $). You can make a stiring divice from house items (a PC fun and neo magnets from old HD) .There are pleanty of videos about it

Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 22:41...

Stir bars and a magnet mixer are cheap enough. I did the make shift mixer and it wasn't worth the effort.

I once bought isoamyl alcohol in house....and it came smelling like raunchy feet. And the poppers I made smelled the same.

You do need a small sensitive scale that measure 1/10 of a gram.

BRUCE said on Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 20:20...

Hi guy and thanks for your messages !
I found some Yt videos that show the different operations including the separator funnel for dropping acid first then for washing with water and/or diluted nano2 solution.

That's a bit of work, isn't it ?
For me to be happy, the brew should be "cough,irritations,runny nose, and hangover" -proof.
My fear is on obtaining a sub par product inferior from amyl nitrite i might purchase here in France.

Can you use your brews like every day or every other days without much "cough/irritation " side-effects ? and how much time do they keep fresh before being bad ? (thinking of stored with molc sieves and bit of K carbonate) ... 1 week maximum ?

Thanks for sharing your experience!

btw: could it be possible to contain the reaction in glass fitted with recycling circuit for the harmful byproduct gases to be neutralised (like a bubbler with (ammonia?)).

justChem said on Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 00:22...

I use Isoamyl alcohol .
Yes,is a bit of a work , but (except from cough at first use) is good to go
Its stays good allmost for a month , but always I transfer a dose (for use) to another bottle and close it good.