Let's clear out the alkyl nitrites confusion once and for all

Topic created by male25gr
on Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 19:54

male25gr said on Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 19:54...

Dear fellows,

with this post i would like to help all, understand the different nitrites.
I'm not a chemist, i am just a consumer and i would not like to bother anyone with irrelevant (to my humble opinion) information from a consumers perspective.

So there are 5 different nitrites regarding poppers.
We mainly encounter only 4 of them as there isn't a real distinction between Butyl and Isobutyl from manufacturers.
I will try to describe them, in order of personal preference, below:

1) Amyl Nitrite
aka isoamyl nitrite, isopentyl nitrite
CAS - 110-46-3
Boiling point (°C) - 98
Molecular weight - 117.15
Physical state - Transparent liquid

2) Butyl Nitrite (developed from Amyl)
aka n-butyl nitrite
CAS - 544-16-1
Boiling point (°C) - 78
Molecular weight - 103
Physical state - Oily liquid

3) Pentyl nitrite (developed from Isoamyl)
aka n-pentyl nitrite
CAS - 463-04-7
Boiling point (°C) - 104
Molecular weight - 117
Physical state - Yellow liquid

4) Isobutyl nitrite (developed from Butyl)
aka 2-methylpropyl nitrite
CAS - 542-56-3
Boiling point (°C) - 67
Molecular weight - 103
Physical state - Colourless liquid

5) Isopropyl nitrite
aka 2-propyl nitrite
CAS - 541-42-4
Boiling point (°C) - 39
Molecular weight - 89
Physical state - Clear pale yellow oil

TOXICITY:
Poppers can cause a coma or even death if they got swallowed instead of inhaled.
Also poppers abuse, can lead to unconsciousness, cyanosis and methemoglobinemia.
Additionally to the above, aspiration of Amyl or Butyl (or Isobutyl) may lead to lipoid pneumonia.
A complication of Isopropyl nitrite abuse can lead to maculopathy.
Butyl and Isobutyl have been reported and studied as carcinogenics (Banned on EU due to those studies).

At this point i'll try to describe the experience of using each one of those types.
Everything below is my personal opinion, from my objective-less side of view:

1) Amyl Nitrite (isoamyl nitrite, isopentyl nitrite)
My personal favorite type!
-Positives:
It gives a good pump, nice warm feeling on chest and face.
It has a linear buildup of rush (there is no hard kick which is good for sex).
Best duration of feeling high (up to 2 minutes).
Lowest interference with erection.
Good out of the body experience.
Intoxication will occur after a heavy abuse and the hangover will be light with easy recovery.
It doesn't evaporates quick and doesn't gets affected by air/moisture as much as other types.
-Negatives:
There is no hard kick which sometimes is desirable

2) Pentyl nitrite (n-pentyl nitrite)
My personal second favorite type!
-Positives:
It gives a good pump, nice warm feeling on chest and face.
It has a good kick of rush.
Medium duration of feeling high (up to 1 minute).
Medium interference with erection (if you've already ejaculated you might get soft for a while).
Intoxication will occur after a heavy abuse.
It doesn't evaporates quick and doesn't gets affected by air/moisture as much as other types.
-Negatives:
Hard hangover with medium recovery.
You might get blue nails and blue lips due to lack of oxygen.
You might get headaches during the session and you might feel very tired the next day.

3) Isopropyl nitrite (2-propyl nitrite)
I personally don't like this type mainly due to loss of central vision and the possibility to maculopathy!
-Positives:
It gives a huge pump, with nice hot feeling on chest.
It has a huge kick of rush with rapidly pumping heart and burning face.
-Negatives:
Bad duration of feeling high (around half a minute - needs multiple inhalation each time).
Interfering with erection (you might get soft for a while but if you haven't got ejaculated previously you will get hard).
Hard hangover with medium recovery.
You might get blue nails and blue lips due to lack of oxygen.
Intoxication will occur after abuse.
It gets affected by air/moisture fairly easy.
You get sensitivity on light, loss of central vision and disturbed vision regarding colors (mixing white with yellow/green).

4) Butyl Nitrite/n-butyl nitrite and Isobutyl nitrite/2-methylpropyl nitrite
My personal worst types (mainly due to possibility of being carcinogenic)!
-Positives:
It gives a good pump and good rush, nice warm feeling on chest and face.
It has good duration of feeling high.
Best out of the body experience!
Intoxication will occur after a heavy abuse.
-Negatives:
It feels sticky like a glue if spilled by accident.
It seems to be carcinogenic!
It evaporates fast and gets affected by air/moisture fairly easy.
Hard hangover with medium recovery.

Few points to conclude:

Amyl/Isoamyl/Isopentyl
Rush/High: Good
Duration: Excellent
Out of the body experience: Good
Evaporation: Excellent
Initial kick in: Medium and Linear

Pentyl/n-Pentyl
Rush/High: Excellent
Duration: Good
Out of the body experience: Good
Evaporation: Excellent
Initial kick in: Good

Isopropyl/2-Propyl
Rush/High: Excellent
Duration: Medium
Out of the body experience: Medium
Evaporation: Bad
Initial kick in: Excellent
!Abuse can lead to maculopathy!

Butyl/n-butyl and Isobutyl/2-methylpropyl
Rush/High: Excellent
Duration: Good
Out of the body experience: Excellent
Evaporation: Bad
Initial kick in: Medium
!Seems Carcinogenic!

As fas as iso prefix is concerned the only difference in experience it makes is:
When the alkyl has the iso prefix, the molecule is bigger so the alkyl has slower and linear kick in with better duration.
When the iso prefix isn't attached on the molecule, then the molecule due to being smaller, the duration gets lower with harder kick in and bigger pump.

I hope my research and personal opinion, to help others get closer to their goals.
I would be glad to discuss furthermore for poppers and their alkyl nitrites.

Sincerely yours,
male25gr

BBtop said on Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 02:02...

Are poppers still dangerous if used with viagra? For some reason I thought the ingredients of poppers today was different that years ago...I've never done them together but curious. Also, I love poppers but they always effect my erection which is not fun. Thanks for all the into...very interesting and informative.

male25gr said on Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 02:19...

@BBtop

Yes, poppers are dangerous if used with other medicines which affect blood pressure, like ED drugs and most of them with Viagra (as it's the most aggressive on blood pressure of all ED drugs)!

Not all alkyl types interfere with erection same way on every person.
You can try different types and find the most efficacious for your body (rush/high and erection).

I hope i was able to resolve some confusion regarding .alkyl nitrites

Jako said on Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 19:13...

male25gr: Best post I've read on here for years! highly detailed and accurate, especially right about the nasty effects of IPN.

male25gr said on Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 19:28...

@Jako
Thank you!

It means a lot if my post explains things clear enough, to get a good picture of things.
:-)

Madeplentypoppers said on Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 19:53...

Thanks for the post, but you didn't mention odors of the various nitrites. IPN is very very sweet and highly aromatic. Bottle feels cold to the touch and evaporates quickly like acetone. IPN caves my blood pressure within 10 minutes, and recovery takes at least an hour and I can then only hit it a few times. It also makes my vision feel fucked up afterwards.

IBN and BN are both very sweet smelling, but IBN smells more like a chemical and BN more like candy. Both will cave my blood pressure. They can easily make me "intoxicated" after 10 minutes, which isn't a good feeling.

Amyl nitrites have the least odor and best effects because they don't cave my blood pressure or make me feel fucked up. I am not certain yet, how much difference there is between amyl nitrite and isopentyl nitrite. N-amyl nitrite is much more expensive than isopentyl nitrite. Not sure why.

Madeplentypoppers said on Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 19:57...

From my experience with making poppers for 10 years, I wouldn't want anything but the amyls, because they have the least odor, the least toxic effects and the most overall pleasurable effects.

I like IPN except for the strong sweet odor, but everything I give it a go, it knocks me down after 10 minutes and then I can't even think about taking another whiff.

Aksug47 said on Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 23:22...

Thanks for the informative post, well done and well explained. I wanted to ask if you know which brands have which chemical composition, I've been buying from sex shops with different experiences, some are good some got me intoxicated me and some didn't have any effect at all. Most brands don't write the composition on the bottle, i would really appreciate the help if someone has some info regarding the brands. Thanks

Motorhead Sherwood said on Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 10:10...

Great post!

(Does anybody have any feelings or facts regarding brain damage due to excessive use with any of these chemicals?)

101st Chairborne said on Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 16:23...

feelings or facts - you may get some suspicions on which to launch this myth, but no facts. Sorry to disappoint: poppers do not cause brain damage.

Poppers are safe compared to tobacco. Tobacco does lead to cancer, impotence, amputation, and blindness. But there is nothing essential in these nitrites that is dangerous to the healthy. Nitrites are not a primary trigger for disease (as with tobacco smoke) , but may exacerbate an existing condition in some.

Even these cases of isopropyl abuse - which have allegedly lead to maculopathy - how old was the subject? Look and you will see they are middle aged; degenerative ocular conditions are common in this age group.

Madeplentypoppers said on Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 18:59...

Chairborne.....they studied the various nitrites and nitroglycerine extensively back in the 1800s. The compared all the various effects, none of which were "recreational" however.

Of the ten nitrites they listed and tested, isopropyl nitrite had the biggest effect in depressing blood pressure. My personal experience suggests the same thing, which is why I don't like IPN. Low blood pressure makes you feel like total shit. Isobutyl and isoamyl nitrite had a greater effect on heart rate than n-butyl nitrite or n-amyl nitrite. So if you don't want to hear or feel your heart pounding of your chest or eardrum, go with n-butyl or n-amyl nitrite.

Roger That said on Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 18:10...

There are plenty of femdom poppers intox clips on Clips4Sale where the horrible women tell you that they want to brain damage you, while they abuse and humiliate you.

I do not think that a hard session spent sniffing poppers to such clips, then followed by a session of attempting to perform higher mathematics, would be particularly advised.

male25gr said on Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 23:09...

Hello again!
Happy New Year with best wishes of health, wealth, luck and happiness for all!

@Madeplentypoppers
I indeed didn't mention any odours as i was referring mostly to results.
I personally don't use poppers because i like their odour.
Thank you for your addition to my thread i appreciate it!

@Aksug47
Every brand uses multiple compositions, filtering/distilling techniques, recipes etc.
That's the reason we have so many different poppers.
If the popper you're going to buy, doesn't states the CAS number on the label, then better choose some other product!
The only way to be (somehow) sure of what's inside the bottle is experience (from average consumer's perspective) or else you'll have to send a sample on the lab.
I personally on my debut with poppers, got a lot of reading on the internet (mostly on sale sites) and i always used poppers which stated their CAS.
Then after the first inhales you can judge if label was right (pulse, rush, blood pressure, erection, etc).
Beware of replicated products! For example pwd labels have been replicated by push poppers. They use different chemicals on each label as a result, you may choose a rush popper from push poppers without acknowledging that your product is a replica, and end up with a different chemical you wished for.

@Motorhead Sherwood
There aren't any brain damage issues i have knowledge of.
There are methemoglobinemia issues when you get excessive use.
People with condition regarding heart, lungs, blood pressure, vision ocular hypertension), ENZYME DEFICIENCY G6PD etc, should avoid poppers

@101st Chairborne
A complication of Isopropyl nitrite abuse can lead to maculopathy!
That's a fact! Forums are full of guys suffering from loss of central vision (regardless of age) for weeks or even months!

Thank you all for spending time to read my post!
I hope it help's spread the knowledge around!

bionicdicvic said on Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 07:52...

Your take on experience with Ram Gold please? . The ingredients? how safe are they?..I recently ordered a 5 pack from pbyp australia and waiting for delivery

cage said on Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 05:57...

what is the best brand overall to use. I am 52 years old, been using poppers to jerk off with since I was in my 20's. Just seems like the new stuff is crap compared to the old days. when im with my girlfriend, ill take 5 different brand bottles and line them up on my nightstand and literally go from one bottle to the next as we are playing. . any advice?

male25gr said on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 at 12:56...

@cage

Have you tried the Jungle Juice Gold or Black?

Poptart said on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 at 18:51...

You say isobutyl "Seems Carcinogenic" like you don't believe it or your not sure

HarryRex said on Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 13:03...

Interesting observations. I would appreciate any following information.

fairlakes said on Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 13:26...

Awesome post!!!!

I am fairly new to the poppers world and have so many questions!! A little bit of OCD in me as well.

I have a bottle of JJ PLatinum which reads:

Pentilnitrite, Di-Sec-Butylcarbinol, 1-Pentanol

Thoughts... Is the second ingredient carecinogenic??

Hollandtf88 said on Wed, 8 Apr 2020 at 08:30...

Im still relatively new to poppers and also in aus. Do you have any brands recommended for the different groups?

Jh377 said on Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:00...

@Hollandtf88

I'm in AUS as well, you could read this page down below
http://poppersguide.com/forum/10365
see @Blah Blah Blah, he has listed where you can get
poppers from Licensed retailers in AUS.

and I found a website: poppersaroma.com/gb/18-amyl-nitrite
it classified each group of poppers, it might help you to find
which poppers in your preference.

Ben said on Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 15:00...

@Madeplentypoppers - do you do sell your own batches?

straightChem said on Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 15:23...

@male25gr
I think that you get wrong the alcoohols that you have to use in order to get every nitrte as a final product. Can you correct them ?

glunt said on Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 15:58...

If I have two half bottles of poppers of different types and I mix them together, will that have any negative consequences, or will I just get effects approaching the average of each?

moritz said on Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 13:14...

thanks for this post - it is the most helpful post i found so far.
Especially the aka and CAS identifier helped greatly and of course your personal opinion.

BJBinMKE said on Sun, 27 Jun 2021 at 21:19...

I have Jungle Juice Gold Label, which contains Alkyl Nitrite. I don't see that particular ingredient listed in male25gr's post. Would like to.

BJBinMKE said on Sun, 27 Jun 2021 at 21:24...

What is a CAS indicator, and how do you find out the benefits and consequences of different CAS numbers?

Anonymous said on Tue, 10 Aug 2021 at 04:50...

How long before you notice the effect if swallowed

Anonymous said on Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 16:40...

@BJBinMKE, “alkyl” is a general reference to any straight carbon chain (non-cyclical) molecule. So all of the listed compounds are alkyl nitrites.

Tjb said on Wed, 8 Sep 2021 at 17:40...

Will red label super rush make you fail any drug testing? My job might be doing a Hair Follicle drug test and I just want to
Make sure I’m in the clear. I’ve done some research and I can’t find anything that says it will make you test positive for anything.

PopsQuen said on Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 18:00...

I have poppers 0567580352

Anonymous said on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 at 14:01...

Great education

I’m in Canada and get my poppers from shinypoppers.ca
Obviously new to all this so any advice is appreciated love the JJ poppers !

LeatherOx said on Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 20:18...

For Anonymous on Aug 10, 2021... You mean how long before you notice you've died from swallowing poppers? Inhaling them is iffy enough, but they are not to be ingested in any amount. Swallowing poppers is an almost guaranteed way to develop methemoglobinemia - the blood can't transport oxygen, you turn blue, then you turn dead if it's severe enough and not treated soon enough.

oldskool said on Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 16:31...

I recently bought some Rush Black Label falling for the hype that they were a return to like the old days of the 80s 90s. nothing could have been further from the truth. They stank disgusting so much so that I could smell it before removing the cap. No high whatsoever and left a sticky residue. Threw them away after 5 mins. Another £10 down the drain. These were sold as containing CAS 463-04-07 but also CAS 123-51-3. A few questions if I may: Why add the 123-51-3? Is that what was causing the stink? If they truly were Pentyl why no high? Can poppers sellers put CAS 463-04-07 on the label even though the bottle doesn't contain pentyl? if there anywhere in the UK, or that ships to the UK that are selling genuine 80s/90s style strong poppers? Many thanks

Originals said on Fri, 8 Sep 2023 at 21:03...

The poppers that were sold in the 90's and up until about 2010 all had isobutyl nitrate in them which are proving really difficult to get hold of as all the poppers you see & get now are all either isopropyl which are terrible, Pentyl which is better and Amyl which are ok but none of them give you anywhere near the hit & blast you got from the isobutyl nitrate formula. I see some of the american online sites sell them but im scared to order of any of them incase i either end up not receiving them, get scammed or the wrong ones arrive. Can anyone possibly help??