Alcohol excess helps move the reaction and....

Topic created by Anonymous
on Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 23:44

Anonymous said on Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 23:44...

The Wiki link that shows how to make poppers has copied some information from an easy to obtain patent online. It shows the 8 possible chain of chemical steps that can occur in the reaction pot. It states that provided there is always ample alcohol, side products, such as nitric acid, and loss of nitrogen should not occur. The person sponsoring the WikiLink limits their use of alcohol, which means there is greater risk for side products, nitric acid formation and loss of nitrogen. This is why using an excess of alcohol plus distillation to separate the nitrite from the excess alcohol works better. The excess alcohol pushes the reaction toward product, while limiting side reactions and loss of nitrogen. The goal is to produce nitrous acid that quickly reacts with the alcohol to form the nitrite. Since nitrous acid is unstable, the longer it remains in the pot unreacted with the alcohol, the more chance for nitrogen loss and side products. Thus, it's best to always have ample alcohol present.

The Professor said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 00:00...

Entirely incorrect, probably Ken trying to fit his low on with another 'quote' from something more credible.

Who knows what he means by nitrogen loss, it's anybody's guess as it makes no sense.

He is likely misinterpreting something he read somewhere.

Ifhe8s talking about the PipperMakers wiki link, it contains information, culled from all over the world, with regard to safely preparing a pure same potent Alkyl Nitrite.

The 8 steps you are talking about in the wiki are expositions of the generic Alkyl nitrite formula, taken from University text.

It demonstrates to a non-chemist what the ions involved in the prep are and where they come from.

That text MIGHT also be in a patent somewhere (and the text you posted in a separate topic does also include a generic formula (although it is incorrect, so much for the authors' credibility, maybe it's a text for a community college level class?)

The Professor said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 00:18...

I think the readership noticed that, instead of containing this nonsense to a single topic, you decided to splatter your incorrect opinions and lies across several posts.

You do that often, switching to a new topic mid-thought, or when you've been painted into a corner.

Just now, rather than respond to the topic pointing out that HE was trying to slip a lie into a quote, he starts another new topic designed to discredit our wiki and it's advice; advice that comes from the entire world on how to most effectively and safely make highly pure product.

We all know he's arguing with reality, and we all know he tries to convince himself he's right by misunderstanding patients and text books.

It's like that scene in UNFORGIVEN,
Little Bill Daggett:
I guess you think I'm kicking you, Bob. But it ain't so."

That always confused me, 'cause Bill certainly WAS kicking Bob down the street.

I get it now, Ken thinks I'm attack him because I correct his always dangerous prep methods, his often misunderstood readings of text, patents and other articles, and his devious attempts to insert outright lies into others mouths.

Curious Popper's User said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 00:26...

The wiki in question was pointed to me by The Professor in a previous post... very very useful read, incredibly detailed, and makes perfect sense. I have been making poppers now for about a year (once a month, so I don't have a lot of experience) and my results are very inconsistent... and what is more, I usually end up with a product that is great when I have just finished brewing it (first hour or so), but very quickly decays and becomes a smelly mess that gives me headaches and coughing fits. I hope to learn more and perfect my brewing process.

The Professor said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 00:37...

Always great to hear from another maker, CPU.

If you need support for the wiki; the subreddit PopperMakers exists for that purpose.

The Professor said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 00:51...

UPDATE:

I THINK I found the patent that Ken is on about.

EP0310191A2

which concerns Alkyl Nitrite production using a VAPOR PHASE embodiment.

ANY text regarding making with VAPOR will have details that aren't applicable at all to the liquid batch process.

He knows this

He's lying, on purpose

TL;DR

Charlie said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 08:28...

CPU, the community can help you work out your process so that you get a good end product.

As someone with zero chemistry skills (but decent general DIY skills), with the help of others (esp Prof), I was able to reach a process I am fairly happy with. It is possible, so reach out for help and the community will help you.

Curious Popper's User said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 12:38...

Thank you Charlie and thank you Professor!

Anonymous said on Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 23:20...

I would like to thank the whole world.....I now have a popper that is almost 50% as good as Joe Miller's were.

The Professor said on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 16:29...

readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.

He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.

another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney

Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)

wiki:
https://nublu.maitriworks.org/files/Alky%20Nitrite%20Preparation%20wiki.pdf

Maker's forum:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PopperMakers/