Continuous Corning Flow Cell for PopperMaking

Topic created by PopperExpert
on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 11:04

PopperExpert said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 11:04...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224936395_Continuous-flow_production_of_alkyl_nitrites

The link above describes in detail how to make continuous poppers using Corning's flow cell reaction chambers. They gave an example of making isopropyl nitrite....achieving a optimum reaction temperature of 18C(not 5C), and downstream post processing was kept at -5C, probably to minimize evaporation/degradation of finished product.

This was peer reviewed and posted in 2011.

PopperExpert said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 11:53...

Also, the method using liquid reagents....not gas.

Anonymous said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 12:45...

I thought the Professor said optimum reaction temp was -12C???? And this research paper stated it was 18C???? And that after the popper was made, it was kept at -5C?

Hmmmmmm.....

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 15:05...

Nice try Ken. You tried the SAME trick over at Reddit.

First, the continuous flow reaction vessel (that you were demanding was made specifically for Alkyl nitrites (it isn't, it's a flow reactor, yes, but not made specifically for Alkyl nitrite prep.

Second, the way a continuous flow reactor works, by splitting the reactant stream into Thousands of parallel micro channels, excess reactant heat is absorbed by the metal substrate of the apparatus, keeping the reactant stream at -5 C.

By comparison, the batch flow process that we all are using makes use of the mass of the water as a heatsink for the exothermic reaction.

Looking at the reaction SITE, however, (and Ken in BOTH his name's PopperExpert and Anonymous KNOW this, they are just trying to scam readers HERE), the actual reactants are in virtually the same environment.

With a -12C ice bath, point your thermometer at the over and it'll read -12C. Point it at the reactant vessel and it'll read about -9C.

Point it right inside the drop tube, as close to the drip site as possible, and it'll read about -6C.

This was ALL explained the last time Ken tried to pull conflating two completely different methods as 'proof' that I was wrong.

He's lost all credibility, and yet he chooses to continue bald faced lying to the readership.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 15:07...

Way to go again Ken, brw

Anonymous said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:10...

You obviously didn't read the file. It says the optimum reaction temp for isopropyl nitrite was 18C and NOT the 5C and colder that YOU have been insisting is optimum. It says they did NOT use 5C, because 18C was better.

Just a total liar who makes toxic shit and sells it as 99.9% pure.

Popperasswipe said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:22...

Yeah....PopperBear wrote a long description of how he made IPN and he used a lot of excess acid. Had been doing so for 10 years.

And NO ATTACK on him???? No criticism of how horrible and dangerous his product must be???

Hmmmmmm....sounds like a personal vendetta on just one person to me.

Rich'sShithole... said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:28...

Is it because you sent him some turbid cloudy smelly toxic shit with hair stuck to the bottle and he didn't like it?

Or is it because he didn't want to use the gas mask you insisted be used? Got news for you.....most gay guys don't want to wear a gas mask to do poppers as you insist on doing. It's another one of your preferred embodiments that you attack others for if they don't like it. Just like you attack people when they prefer amyl over butyl. There's nothing good about amyl.....it's just too weak according to Nebraska's Popper God.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:44...

Nothing either of you (unless you are the same person) are blathering about makes any sense.

What selling?
What gas mask?
What attack for preferring amyl?

There are makers in our group that make very potent amyl nitrite, and are enjoying themselves.

I don't attack anyone unless they are pushing dangerous ideas; there's nothing wrong with experimentation, but there's everything wrong with pushing poisonous prep method and ideas when the truth is so much easier and enjoyable.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 21:05...

anonymous claiming I didn't read the file:

I did read it, despite it being about continuous flow chemistry and I am talking about batch processing (entirely different ideas).

The writeup you are pushing is quite valid, for continuous flow chemistry, which has different requirements for cooling (as I said, the bulk of the cooling is by diffusion of thousands of reactants streams in contact with metal micro channels), as I said previously.

The reactant vessel may be operating at 18c (and we went over this before, Ken; you think you can dupe the readership here, so I will repeat what is true, again, just for you) the actual product is in virtually the same environment as in a batch reactor (about -6C; the writeup you post mentions -5C as the downstream temperature).

They are also manipulating the PV/T environment by adding pressure to the vessel, which you fail to mention because it doesn't fit your attack, but it's highly relevant to why the whole thing DOES work at higher temp.

That's all a function of how the two different apparatus' operate. One method relies on a large mass of solvent (an icebath) to sink the heat generated by the reactions, and the other relies on small masses of thousands of streams running in parallel and the mass of the device itself is used to sink heat from reactions.

Continuous flow can do the prep at much higher temperatures, and much faster than a batch liquid process, but that's NOT the case with batch processing.

You, again, are conflating two ideas in chemistry, with disastrous results, JUST as you conflate a SLIGHT equilibrium shift with FORCING a reaction to completion.

You then put the whole thing on high stir, spew a few insults and hallucinations, and call it good; That's why you, a 'hostile witness' to your own dangerous failures, need constant supervision from someone who knows how dangerous you are; as a warning to others NOT to put themselves in the same danger.

I know some of us don't need or want this type of 'hand holding', but with such rapid turnover of members, (I don't know everyone who's a regular here, but there is a high level of churn with new faces popping in an out all the time) it's anybody that knows better's epistemic responsibilty to respond to such dangerous lies.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 21:14...

to rich's shithole:

what happened to Thomas' ass? got tired of that one I guess.

Pushing the turbid shit lie again eh?

First, molecular sieves, having clay-like zeolite as a substrate, and getting the product dry within 20 parts per million, have the downside of 'dusting' as flakes of the clay make the product LOOK cloudy.

Second, the suspended clay particles have no vapor pressure; they are unreactive to both the nitrite and the human inhaling it.

Third, even though it is a preferred adsorbent, and cloudiness has NO downside other than cosmetics, you will remember the short video that popchef posted to ken at poppersplace (where this ENTIRE scam was repeated by ken to a different audience) a sample of the SAME batch that dried with another type of adsorbent that was just as good (20 PPM) as molecular sieve, but DIDN't dust AT ALL.

It's a shame that you try the same lies on these people here, just because you might get away with what you know is a lie, but new readers might not.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 21:18...

PopperAsswipe asking about papabear:

I THINK that poster is a regular here; his prep writeup doesn't seem preferable to me; it shares a lot of the suppositions that Ken has made through the years, which are incorrect.

He seems happy with his results; i'm not here to rain on his parade, I'm trying to keep newbies from poisoning themselves by listening to foolishly wrond and dangerous ideas

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 21:47...

If one MUST make IsoPropylNitrite, there is a way to tame its reactivity WITHOUT resorting to a partially saturated prep that is infested with unreacted alcohol, and the product will stay fresher longer too

https://poppersguide.com/forum/12035

Anonymous said on Sat, 21 May 2022 at 15:49...

I have 4 - 30 mls bottles of NAN(amyl) that are all excellent after 3 weeks. First for me. I'm calling this one a success...a GREAT GREAT success. And no thanks to anyone on this forum.....

The Professor said on Sat, 21 May 2022 at 21:15...

Great Great?

3 May 2022 N-pentyl nitrite...the Elixir of Gay Life...
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After a prolonged session of my brew.....I was stunned and amazed at the effects....One whiff and it wears off quickly.....But each subsequent hit builds and allows one to sustain the most intense erotic thoughts and images, all while the joy jelly ass sensations are intensely pleasurable.

Odor is very mild and pleasant.....nothing harsh or stinging.
"
or

Mon, 4 Apr 2022 Fresh Isopropyl Nitrite - Stunning
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Thomas the chemist jerk can belly ache and bitch all he wants, but I just made the MOST astounding IPN, using old sodium nitrite from Duda in Alabama, the 3 to 4 part formula, and one additional wash step, where I used 3 cold water rinses with STIR bar followed by 3 brine/baking soda rinses with STIR bar.

Odor: mild, not very sweet, aromatic, not very remarkable, not unpleasant.
"

maybe

25 Mar 2022 Home Brew Isopropyl Nitrite
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I have made many brews of IPN and they have all given me immediate bad side effects, like fatigue and plunging blood pressure that won't rebound. Just horrible side effects. Now I have come to believe that these effects were due to impurities. I have now made 3 successive IPN brews that are nothing but fun and giving no side effects.
"

better than?

10 Mar 2022 Isopropyl nitrite home brew...Wow!!!
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I have made IPN many times in the past and it always caved my blood pressure after 5 minutes of whiffing.

Yesterday I made my first IPN that is absolutely amazing and DID not cave my blood pressure - even after 4 small session within 12 hours.
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or

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Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 19:02...

And I just tested my brew of n-amyl today...6 days after being made...stored at RT and exposed a lot to air....its more potent than it was. So something is definitely RIGHT about the mixing strategy.
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but then....

24 Dec 2021 Week later....German brew....excellent
"
The true test of a good brew is always its longevity. Does it last, with or without use, for at least a week or more? Does it retain a good odor? Does it have expected effects without any weird effects or side effects?

I've tested my German brew everyday for 7 days and it passes all the tests. Their method is a winner!!! I can highly recommend it.
"

and don't forget...

26 Dec 2021 New year..... New theory..... OMG!!!
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Been having great success with the German method +. Plus is my modification to the method and omg the results are devastating.
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and...

7 Nov 2021 Spent bottle of JJ Black...awesome
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I noticed an old 30 ml bottle of LRM's JJ Black lying around on its side. I looked inside of it and saw a layer of moist MS4 and a little Kcarb at the bottom of the bottle. I took a tiny whiff. It smelled good, BUT was it still active? This bottle had been lying round at RT for at least a month. The cap was on, but it was not tight.

Lo and behold.....after doing a test session, it had a great aroma and very pleasurable effects.
"

ok, but ...

23 Sep 2021 OMG...something awesome happened!!!
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Just a few hours ago, I poured off my 30 ml JJ Black into 3-10 ml bottles, in which I had placed Kcarb and MS4.

The effects are drastically stronger....a sweet, pleasant aroma now pervades the nostrils and surrounds the head. And the ass/prostate effects are stupendous. It's as if someone is literally squeezing the prostate and forcing it to cum. It's immensely pleasurable.
"

with...

18 Jul 2021 Lockerroom Final Review - Tears of Joy!!!
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I've made my final assessment of my 3 Lockerroom 10 ml bottles. I can now throw away my popper making chemicals and just buy OTC Lockerroom. It's plenty good enough.
"

or...

27 Jun 2021 Made a 50 ml brew of NAN...6-26-2021
"....24 hours old and tested one 10 bottle of the 50mls brew.

What can I say...OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. It's like nirvana.
"

then....

12 Jun 2021 4th German Brew....Jungle Juice Stellar
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It's been 3 to 4 weeks since I made a German brew of NAN. I made one today, 6-12-21. Just a few hours old now and tested. EXCELLENTE!!!
"

or...
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 13 Jun 2021 at 11:12...
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I've been testing my normal amyl nitrite(NAN) for the last 24 hours. Had at least 5 or 6 sessions testing it. I always inhale directly from a 10 ml wide mouthed brown bottle, which is a typical size PWD(Joe Miller) once made.

This brew, using the German method, has some stand out features that sets it above the others."

of course.....

25 Jun 2021 Update on 4th German NAN
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My German NAN is now 12 days old...about 5 mls left in a 10ml bottle. Tested and it's VERY potent still with good odor....somewhat more pungent than first made...slight ether like odor.
"

then....

12 Jun 2021 4th German Brew....Jungle Juice Stellar
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It's been 3 to 4 weeks since I made a German brew of NAN. I made one today, 6-12-21. Just a few hours old now and tested. EXCELLENTE!!!
"

and who can forget...

24 May 2021 German method Plus is working well
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7 weeks after starting the German method plus adding a secondary sodium carbonate wash 24 hours later, all brews have aged well with nondescript, noncaustic odors and potency is maintained, even when stored at RT for 7 weeks and exposed periodically to air. All brews have been stored on a layer of Kcarb and MS4 as well.
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and...

13 May 2021 Post processing suggestions
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.....mine have lasted 4 weeks at RT. One became active after I thought it was dead. Both smell good and give pleasant heart thumping effects.
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with....

22 Apr 2021 Some glimmer of hope as NAN ages well.
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The German patent method may have advantages. Unexpectedly, after rewashing in sodium carbonate solution, my NAN brews have aged amazingly well in the past 5 days. Odor is very pleasant....similar to camphor, menthol and eucalyptus....very active aromatic fumes giving a dreamy effect and strong ass relax. Hardly any evaporation from the bottle after test whiffing it straight from the bottle.

I will continue with this method to see if it's a fluke or not.
"

but...,

5 Apr 2021 Poppers too difficult to make outside a lab...
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I have had some success making new NAN brews. It appears that the Blitz, excess acid/SN, method is not necessary to achieve good brews - that it's not a magic bullet. I have made 2 - 20 mls NAN brews using my prior method and they both seem good. The one thing I did that was likely crucial is I pulled my SN from the bottom of my Sigma SN. In theory, the bottom layers are least exposed to air and therefore less degraded. I have also been more aggressive with acid neutralization....using sodium carbonate in addition to baking soda. NaCarb is pH 11.4 and baking soda is 8.4. I am ending up with a very mild, non bitey, non acidic, slightly sweet and fruity, non pungent popper with very pleasant effects. I have stored only on anhydrous Kcarb and it seems effective enough.

Amounts used....30 mls DW plus 24 mls alcohol, chilled, plus 16 grams SN.....moderate to high stir.
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of course...

Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 00:46...

@Professor....seems I've been mixing poppers wrong for ten years. Though I've searched the web repeatedly for various methods that might help me achieve greater success, I just read 3 instances this weekend that indicate I have been mixing wrong. Sciencemadness has two examples, both of which led me to the German patent from 2008 that used a batch method whereby a 40% solution of SN was added to a mixture of acid/alcohol and NOT the other way around as I have been doing. It was a balanced ratio amount...with tiny excess of acid and SN.

I have tried it twice and got a very different NAN...much more potent....heart thumping effect. Amazing ass relax/effects.
"

but then....

14 Mar 2021 Reagent Quality Theory proven?
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I made a second NAN brew using a different method....one of three posted on Google via Chemprep.

It has a decided mild, sweet and fruity odor similar to Juicy Fruit, with a tad must, and today a bit of a "fragrance". Nothing remotely unpleasant or bitter

Effects are mildly pleasant. ZERO weird effects.
"

with....

14 Mar 2021 Unexpected Fuck Proves Theories...
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I would add that I don't like getting fucked anymore...been that way for years. Just not a thrill anymor

The Professor said on Sat, 21 May 2022 at 21:27...

or....

17 Mar 2021 More evidence....of the Perfect Popper

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@Rob....as long as my Sodium Nitrite stays fresh and pure, I am certain I can make consistently good NAN.
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and who could forget....
17 Mar 2021 More evidence....of the Perfect Popper
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My NAN is now 4 days old and I tested it extensively.
Method: whiffing straight from 10ml bottle.
Odor: very mild, nondescript, neither pleasant nor unpleasant
Effects:

FINALLY after ten years, I felt the same exact sensations I felt with Joe Miller's poppers. It was this effect that made me fall in love with poppers in 2008 and haven't had since 2010, the year Joe allegedly committed suicide. The distinct effect is that after very steady hits, with a building of intensity, the mind/body become totally immersed in joy and wanton sexuality - WITHOUT any sort of unpleasant side effect. It's as if every last bit of restraint/inhibition has been lost and it's an all out effort to surrender totally to the joy of the sex act.

These are the hallmark, extraordinary traits of ONLY normal amyl nitrite(n-pentyl nitrite, n-amyl nitrite).
"

25 Feb 2021 Another workable preparation found....

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I found another prep mentioned in an old science paper from 1912...Taylor was the chemist.

6.8 grams 95% sulfuric acid OR about 21-22 grams(15-16 mls) battery acid 33% specific gravity of 1.265.

15.2 mls one pentanol. The cold acid is dripped into cold alcohol on high stir. If using battery acid, the solution must be constantly stirred to keep the two fluids mixed lest their be instant separation when the stir bar is stopped.

10 grams SN into 30 mls water cold.

Add the acid/alcohol below the surface about 1/3 way....

Separate, wash with saturated baking soda/salt 4 to 5 times. Dry on mag sulfate....pour off onto potassium carbonate and some MS4. You can repeat the last step after 6-12 hours...to make sure you are good and dry.

I made 4 brews....using only ambient outdoor temps...no ice bath....20s to low 50s was the outdoor range temps. Yield....about 10mls finished.

Good odor and effects. Loose as a goose.
"

15 Nov 2020 Evolution of N-Amyl Nitrite

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Poppers can cause vision or audio disturbances, but what I am describing are the psychic effects - the thoughts, images and feelings solely in the brain.

I have made thousands of brews, but it wasn't until I changed my ratios that I started to get NAN having these mind blowing mental effects. Presumably, this is a sign of higher purity.
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15 Nov 2020 Evolution of N-Amyl Nitrite
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36 hours later and extreme effects...zero odor. Slow build to very pronounced, extremely pleasurable sensations.

I made another larger brew, washed and dried and the initial odor is nil and effects are very very pleasurable. It's like being a rag doll hopelessly humping against prostate pressure as total relaxation of rectal walls occurs simultaneously. It really is an unbelievable effect."

\so I'm confused about how Great Great compares to OMG, OMGGGGGGG, stellar, excellent, elixir of life, etc.

The Professor said on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 16:22...

readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.

He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.

another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney

Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)

wiki:
https://nublu.maitriworks.org/files/Alky%20Nitrite%20Preparation%20wiki.pdf

Maker's forum:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PopperMakers/