Normal Amyl Nitrite - formula

Topic created by Anonymous
on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 15:44

Anonymous said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 15:44...

Here are ratios/mixing strategies that should produce very good smelling, and long lasting amyl nitrite.

37 mls 31.45% HCl(hardware store)
30 mls One Pentanol(hobby chemical supplier)
22 grams Food Sodium Nitrite(Duda)
36 mls Distilled Water

Freeze the alcohol in freezer.
Chill the DW and add 22 grams SN
Add the above together and place on mixer on high speed.
Use ice bath.

Slowly drip in acid, which can be room temperature acid.

Perform with exhaust hood or outside. Do Not breathe the vapors coming out of pot.

Reaction should look tame until about 30mls of acid have been added. After this point, the reaction will begin to bubble, turn green, and give off some brown gases. Keep adding the rest of the acid. Continue on stir for 5 minutes....harvest with glass 10 ml pipette. Keep harvesting while on spin. More product will form. After collecting the dark yellow, water insoluble, and transparent crude nitrite, rinse in cold water on stir 3 times. Then do 3 to 4 rinses with baking soda/brine. Discard water and add a little dry Kcarb. Stir and wait to dry 10 to 20 minutes.

Place light yellow, highly transparent amyl nitrite in a dry brown bottle and add a small layer of dry Potassium Carbonate. Swirl, mix. The Kcarb should look like dry particles suspended in the nitrite and they should quickly fall out of solution, leaving behind a very transparent popper. Odor should be very mild and effects very good. Store in frig. Should last weeks.

The Professor said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 18:08...

the molar ratios in whomever's prep this is are 1.00:1.36:2.24

that's a 36% excess of HCL and a 124% excess of NaNO2

That's a ridiculous waste of reactants.

Bubbling and brown gasses are wasting reactants to boiling.

Bubbling and brown gasses are TOXIC NO2 fumes.

Bubbling and gasses indicate the reaction is proceeding too fast.

That's a typical maker's problem, since the forward reaction has to be slowed down quite a bit in order to prevent the reverse reaction from un-making (which is making more unreacted alcohol)

High speed mixing churns oxygen into the reactor chamber; it works against a maker, increasing the likelihood of generating NO2 gas.

The reaction should look like lake placid THROUGHOUT the prep; makers that try to compensate for dropping too quickly by adding more acid are sabotaging their own prep, and confusing chemistry with cooking.

The Professor said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 18:18...

correction, ratios above aRe 1:1.36:1.16

Still way too much excess when the SAME prep can be done at -12C with ratios of 1:1.07:1.07 (a slight molar excess as most writeups talk about) and have even LESS unreacted alcohol (wasted heartbeats) and therefore be even more potent with less waste (of both reactants and your metabolism).

Anonymous said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 21:36...

The proof is in the pudding. If the product doesn't last more than a few days, for example, it develops an off odor with bitterness as well as off effects....it probably wasn't made right

I am 100% certain after many repeat trials, that what I described WORKS very well to produce amyl nitrite that maintains a good odor and effects for weeks, even with use. Plus, it doesn't evaporate very quickly...so it lasts longer.

Anonymous said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 21:40...

The Normal Amyl Nitrite should smell mild....with absolutely ZERO bitterness or funky off odors. It should smell mildly aromatic. If it smells a little spicy, it may have alcohol in it.

If it has any off effects that are unpleasant, it's not right.

The Professor said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 22:07...

As I said, you took 12 years to come to the same incorrect beliefs you had back then. The 'proof in the pudding' hasn't changed.
You prefer a week nitrite because it's all you can make without poisoning yourself, and the WAY you make squanders the 10% range of any human's threshold with un-reacted alcohol's.

First, un-reacted alcohol in an Alkyl nitrite doesn't smell 'spicy'

Second, a human nose can't detect un-reacted alcohol until it approaches 10% of a compound.

Third, un-reacted alcohol has NO vasodilation effects, but it causes a significant rise in heartrate.

Fourth, wasting heartbeats by making in non-preferred environments GUARANTEES un-reacted alcohol.

Fifth; if a person's engine redlines from n-Amyl nitrite, and 10% of that redline is from un-reacted alcohol, that's another 10% of a
Pleasure that they COULD have had IF they were a capable maker

The thing is, most makers want a product that doesn't waste their
10% window of the load that a nominal human can handle. If one of the weakest nitrites available redlines their engine, they are either doing it eating or they have generic deformities that hinder their body's metabolism.

Beard&Belly said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 22:15...

>The proof is in the pudding...

but you "over-egg the pudding" methinks. Why do you speak in the lingo of Oz Clarke, when talking about industrially produced chemicals? sounds very odd.

Anonymous said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 22:29...

The Professor has been left behind due to his stubborn, know it all ways. His product can never compare to Joe Miller's because he clings to his old ways. He's had 10 years of selling his perfected brew shit to anyone gullible enough to listen to him. And still, there's no place to buy consistently good poppers that rival Joe Miller's. Let me repeat that...there is NO place selling consistently good poppers that don't stink, don't have acid, aren't weak and don't have toxic side effects.

Anonymous said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 22:31...

Oh...and let's not forget, Joe Miller, didn't have to put all kinds of shit in his poppers to make them good upon opening. Just a tiny ball of alumina. No cloudy turbid shit.

The Professor said on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 22:58...

The tiny ball was NOT activated alumina chief, it was a dessicant with a plastic substrate.

The ball would get smaller and smaller as the bottle was used up; they told you that meant that it was working, and to shake the bottle to activate some bullshit or another (some free radicals nonsense), but it was all a scam.

Alkyl nitrites DO suffer from hydrolysis, and the power pellet WAS a type of dessicant, but being based on plastic, it slowly dissolved and became useless. even when full size, one small bead of dessicant is going to be overwhelmed every time the bottle is opened.

It was a KEN level thing in the first place.

Spend more time making a true alkyl nitrite under PROPER conditions and less time hallucinating fantasies about ME and you might have a chance at making something someone else might like.

Everyone else realizes your hallucinations about me are pure projection of your OWN motives, failures and experiences; the truth can't help but leak out of you; it's a proven psychological condition that you confirm every time you speak.

Thanks for that Ken; another bird got its wings despite your nonsense.

Anonymous said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 13:05...

I bought lots of Joe Miller poppers late 2007-10 and never once did I see a pellet dissolve. It's pure BS. Activated Alumina is a desiccant.

The reason it took 12 years for me to finally make WONDERFUL, long lasting amyl nitrite is BECAUSE I listened to the popper making god himself,the Professor. Every single time I did what he said, I ended up with the same crap he sent me for samples.

Fast forward to today and I now have a formula that does work and I just opened my two week old 30 ml brew.....hissing upon opening....fresh mild scent.....no acid.....highly transparent...no turbid shit.....and very nice effects. Strong heart beat, but not noticeable. Not pounding in ear drums like IPN, IBN and BN.

And yeah....didn't need to place tiny drop on a cloth gas mask in order to lessen the toxic effects and extend duration...while slinging like a bongo monkey in my private S&M cave.

Anonymous said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 13:08...

Oh..and unlike the Professor, my resting heart rate is 60 and during popper use, it doesn't go higher than 70s. I do 1-2 hours of cardio every single day. I'm in the best shape of my life. And my poppers aren't killing me like his would.

The Professor said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 17:16...

Wonderful fantasies again Ken; you really knock out out of the park.

The power pellet was a plastic ball through the 80's and 90's. He may have changed to activated alumin at our near the end of his run, but it was mostly a plastic pellet.

A few dozen bottles is NOT the sample you believe it is. Basing your entire impression of the guys product on a few dozen samples from the end of his production is insane.

As of the real Ken has EVER listened to me and tried anything I had to say.

Ken's been failing for 12 years, and pushing HIS weak 'making' tips for just as long. His pulseox drops to the low 90s% with his n-Amyl nitrite, which is putting his body into crisis. His reports were the same back then, except isoamyl was good enough (75% reactive)

Now, he's dropped down to pushing n-Amyl (72% reactive) and anything higher is 'toxic'

Ridiculous.

He thinks I'm ridiculing him when I say this, but it's just math.

Something in his body can't tolerate a popper that truly engages his cardio pulmonary system.

In our 30s, the nominal human can maintain a pulseox of 95% with a heart rate of 155. They can do this easily if they are fit. (Max heartrate is 220 minus your age, exercise target is about 80% of max, so a 30 yr old has max heartrate of 190 and target exercise rate of 152)

That same human loses 1 heartbeat every year, so, now in his sixties, that same human has a Max heartrate of 160 and a target exercise rate of 128)

That's what is happening, at least, to Ken, and the profound depression in his sats tells everyone that his heart can't keep up with the load (and Alkyl nitrites are a body load, they are NOT an 'Elixir of gay life' as Ken demands.

They are fun for sure, not they are a body load, and one that Ken's body can't handle.

Anonymous said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 18:12...

Dream on vindictive loser.

The Professor said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 18:26...

Translation: keep on correcting my hazardous advice and saving makers from Ken's idiocy

Thanks again Ken, or whomever, showing your true colors. Now in three simultaneous posts you are doing nothing but hurling insults, then abandoning the topic, over and over. It's all you can do and everybody sees it.

Anonymous said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 20:09...

Is this what happens when two schizophrenic chemists compete?

The Professor said on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 20:38...

Naw, everybody knows Ken is at work during this time of day, it's just some post kid trying to be annoying

popperass said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 10:32...

@Professor.....what the fuck??? When someone posts a formula they say works well cause they've done it, why not let them people do it and see if it works for them? If you have a preferred method, patent it and give a link. Otherwise..shut up!!!!

Anonymous said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 10:37...

I've been testing my newest brews of normal amyl nitrite over the last few weeks. They are ALL aging very well.....in fact, odors seem as good as to start. One smells a bit spritzy and pleasant. Effects are still good. All a sure sign that the formula I used and posted WORKS!!!

Also, I only added a small amount of Kcarb to each bottle. I store in frig between testings.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 15:12...

Popperass:

Because the guy is a dangerous nuisance that repeats the same failures over and over.

The amyl fetish is one thing, he's not liable to get anyone hurt following in his footsteps, just a weak amyl to anyone in nominal health.

It's when he tries to push how cheap and wonderful IsoPropylNitrite is that he gets dangerous to others' health.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 15:48...

popperass: It's my epistemic responsibility to correct ken's dangerous tips to other makers. In the case of n-Amyl he makes, that's not very dangerous, but his text ALWAYS has a gross excess of acid to attempt to compensate for his making environment (which is wasting reactants and guaranteeing an unsaturated product).

His amounts vary a bit every time he posts his 'miracle' but it's always the same: a bit of this, more of that and WAY more of the other.

This latest trick has him suggesting a 36% excess of acid. A normal maker can do BETTER if they go colder, and get a more concentrated nitrite with only about 7% excess, but he'd rather have us all COOKING
this stuff off rather than actually MAKING it.

If you follow ken's advice three times, you've wasted enough to make an entirely new batch SIMPLY because he purposefully does things that defy chemistry logic (not going cold enough, not dropping slowly enough, churning oxygen into the mix with a fast stir speed, boiling off reactants to waste, producing poisonous gasses needlessly, etc.)

His whole method is a toxic shit show waiting to happen.

I don't care if it happens with ken's head loitering over the pot, but I DO care if he gets anytone ELSE injured.

that's the why.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 15:53...

Popperass:

Patents aren't really all that; all you have to do is convince a patent officer that what you say is true. There are patents for perpetual motion machines, for example.

This isn't Capitalism, this is science.

If you are interested, the most recent wiki is at:

https://nublu.maitriworks.org/files/Alky%20Nitrite%20Preparation%20wiki.pdf

If you want support, join the Poppermakers subreddit. There are too many false ideas trying to pound their chests here to get a word in edgewise.

Anonymous said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 20:14...

Didn't PapaBear say he used a lot of acid? You didn't attack him???

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 21:24...

yes, PapaBear seems to like a huge excess of acid also, If you are Popperasswipe from the other topic I answered why I didn't engage him there.

The Professor said on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 21:45...

Anonymous asking about PapaBear:

if you absolutely MUST make IsoPropylNitrite, here's a way to tame it that doesn't lead to partially saturated yield with unreacted alcohol, and it will stay fresh longer too.

https://poppersguide.com/forum/12035

The Professor said on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 16:22...

readers that are new to this forum probably haven't experienced the lying, deceitful, willful ignorance that is Ken (aka anonymous, aka popperass, aka madeplentypoppers, aka NitriteSpecialist aka PopperExpert, aka PopperMaker, aka kenjoneslee, aka John Mulligan, etc.

He'll fight his wrong ideas to the ground, hasn't attained control of this reaction 13 years, and is wasting everyone's time.

another big yawn with no new content, a dollop of lies, with a dash of baloney

Those interested in the REAL science can always refer to the wiki, and join PopperMakers (a subreddit) if you need support for it.)

wiki:
https://nublu.maitriworks.org/files/Alky%20Nitrite%20Preparation%20wiki.pdf

Maker's forum:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PopperMakers/