Joe Miller Blog comments.....

Topic created by Anonymous
on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 21:12

Anonymous said on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 21:12...

"Joe Miller was a dear personal friend. He called, two weeks ago, to let me know that his company, Great Lakes Products, had been raided by the US Consumer Product Safety Commission and that he loved me. He sounded emotionally distraught at the time. His suicide was obviously a response to the CPSC raid.

I have read every single CREDIBLE journal article on alkyl nitrite compounds (i.e., open chain nitrite compounds, the type of poppers that are illegal). They are among the safest compounds known to man. Joe knew that and it is why he had no ethical qualms about engaging in that business. It is also why his company, Great Lakes Products, was LICENSED BY THE US GOVERNMENT TO MANUFACTURE AND EXPORT THESE PRODUCTS. The US Government knows that poppers are safe and that's why they allow them to be manufactured for export.

The ban on poppers, as it exists in the US, was enacted as a knee jerk response during the early days of the AIDS epidemic when some misguided junk scientists thought there was a causal relationship between their use and HIV transmission. The same could have been said about water because all gay men at the time were consuming both substances liberally . The law that banned poppers went through Congress unnoticed as part of a big, unrelated omnibus bill and has never been revoked, despite the fact that there is no valid scientific evidence to support that poppers are in any way harmful.

The US Consumer Product Safety Commission is indirectly responsible for Joe Miller's untimely death. They relentlessly pursued him like pit bulls throughout the decades and finally raided his factory, causing him great emotional distress. They are trying to keep this quiet and are the reason why the details of Joe's suicide were pulled from the papers. Big brother screwed up again and, as a result, one of our dearest and most philanthropic brothers is gone.

The raid on Great Lakes Products was part of a giant, misguided, coordinated, nationwide effort by the US Consumer Product Safety Commission to remove poppers from the marketplace. Every business in the US that sold poppers on the internet has been sent a cease and desist order by the CPSC. You won't see poppers on the web sites where they were staples before. You would think that the CPSC would have something better to do (like perhaps protecting our children from faulty toys, which is more aligned with their charter) than to spend millions of our tax dollars ridding the marketplace of substances that have been proven to be harmless. The irony is that the cyclic nitrite compounds that were manufactured to skirt the law, and are now legal, are actually harmful to humans because they remain in the body and are known carcinogens. You would think that the CPSC, operating with full awareness of these facts, would lobby to have straight line nirties made legal and cyclic nitrites made illegal. Does the CPSC care about the health of the US populace, which is ostensibly why they are here in the first place? No. Their sole concern is looking good, and they do so by intentionally and misguidedly focusing their efforts on an illegal product that they know to be safe. How sad is that? The same ego-driven and rewards-driven behavior that drove the CPSC to enforce the ban on known safe products is what led them to cover up Joe's suicide. I know better!!!"

I can vouch for the above statement that poppers became immediately unavailable in the USA right after Joe died. Perhaps many months passed before you could buy them again.

I think he was selling normal amyl nitrite and that's why he was raided.
The above is from AdvanceIndiana blog.

JJ said on Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 05:43...

@Anonymous: Thank you for providing the background information on Joe Miller and his company, Great Lake Products.
I strongly agree that the ban on popper products was enacted as a knee jerk reaction to the AIDS epidemic. While the nitrite inhalants did not cause the AIDS condition, popper use by persons with AIDS weakened their immune system, which further contributed to their illness.
I sampled Joe Miller's RUSH product several times back in the 70's and I could not use it, due to its strong industrial odor. To the best of my memory, the chemical in RUSH was definately not amyl nitrite. I believe it was a form of butyl nitrite.

Anonymous said on Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 13:46...

@JJ....I never tried poppers back then, but I don't doubt that isobutyl and butyl nitrite were in some of the formulas being sold. Perhaps, the butyls were the dominant form then. And both isobutyl and butyl have much stronger odors than normal amyl nitrite when they are pure enough. Butyl creates a very distinct deodorized Locker Room scent in a room - only when it's pure enough. Once you smell it, you never forget it. Isobutyl nitrite is more like a nail polish compound....acetonish.

At some point, as poppers seemed to get more mild and less harsh in odor, I believe Joe Miller had switched to normal amyl nitrite. This was when I began to buy poppers. Now of the poppers I bought then, while he was at the helm, had any distinct strong odors. And none gave me the slightest unpleasant side effect. All the evidence points strongly to normal amyl.

pops said on Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 22:54...

I sampled Joe Miller's RUSH product several times back in the 70's

Actually Joe Miller did not own PWD in the 70's, but it was always butyl or iso-butyl. It was not his product, he bought the company and the brand; PWD Rush was originally based in California. Pac West never distributed amyl nitrite from Indiana, that is just totally untrue. The words copied from blogspot from years ago, are also mostly untrue.

Oh and if you are the same guy talking about LRM Jungle Juice...you got their website wrong, my friend.

The Professor said on Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 23:45...

@pops: Anonymous is aka NitriteSpecialist aka madeplentypoppers aka Poppermaker aka Ken Jones.

his ideas are full of fallacious ideas and he constantly changes screen name and persona when his ideas are debunked.

It seems he's a persistant nuisance; just something to deal with because he thinks he knows a thing or two, but he doesn't ----nothing to see here---

Anonymous said on Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 18:38...

Evidence bois....provide some evidence...hard or antidotal. I provided lots of it. And it's mostly from personal experience...not based on what others have said.

Anonymous said on Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 18:40...

Come on bois....give us your best bet why the Feds raided Joe...and why Joe would have killed himself when he seemed content according to his friends?

And tell us why poppers everywhere became suddenly not available the second word got out Joe had died?

And tell us why poppers in the period right before Joe died DID NOT have strong odors or side effects?

Come on bois.....cough it up....or is it just more disinformation spreading?

Anonymous said on Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 18:43...

@Pops...come on....is that all you got to give us??? You tried some poppers in the 70s???? No desription of them??? Not anything??? Totally useless comments and accusations.

Anonymous said on Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 18:46...

@Pops...what's your evidence about what Joe was selling when he died? Did you try them and give us a detailed description of them please??? What happened in the 70s is irrelevant to what was happening when Joe died.

OctaBubba said on Fri, 18 Feb 2022 at 06:35...

something doesn't smell right! it's the same with my pubic bush> after using poppers since 1974 (infrequently in bathhouses, restroom etc) my pubic hair suddenly turned grey. i have been reading on the google about possible causes for this! I now firmly believe that my cock hair is grey due to poppers. I do not really know what you guys are talking about, but I just wanted to say this and draw attention.

The Professor said on Fri, 18 Feb 2022 at 19:58...

Anon has fallen victim to interweb gossip. The CPSC has no legal authority to do police style 'raids' to confiscate equipment, arrest people, or anything that involves ENFORCEMENT other than submitting paperwork or suggesting fines

Anonymous said on Sat, 19 Feb 2022 at 16:49...

Oh SURE the CPSC has no legal authority. Next you're going to suggest Joe Miller is actually still alive and is so tied up making good poppers and skipping down to the bathhouses to peek his head out and say everything is A-OK. Ignorance is bliss @Prof

pops said on Sat, 19 Feb 2022 at 21:44...

@whoever you are:

Read the full sentence. U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is not an enforcement agency, that is a simple fact. It is also a simple fact that PWD - Joseph Miller - GLP did not sell amyl nitrite in the United States or overseas. The reason for this is simple: 21 CFR 250.100. PWD-GLP were a serious commercial entity; the amyl days ended long before Miller took the helm. Iso-butyl and Hexyl came from Harding Street, not amyl. This idea of yours is absurd; and there is no debate on this subject, except in your head.

What is the reason you think the late Mr Miller, an astute and experienced businessman, with a background in the legal system, would be minded to do such a thing? You are basically implying he was insane, I think you should behave in a more thoughtful and respectful manner.

B said on Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 21:10...

Joe Miller. Joe Miller. Joe Miller.
Enough for fuck sakes. We know. We get it.

Give It up Already said on Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 02:37...

@Anonymous (NitriteSpecialist) I read you melodramatic post about how you were leaving this forum for good, and that we wouldn't have NitriteSpecialist to kick around anymore. I guess so easy to find a replacement for the narcissistic supply you get here.

I've been using PWD since 1980. It's pretty much the same as it ever was. If there's any difference between the quality then compared to today it probably has to do with quicker turnover of product in the past compared to now which is probably linked to outrageous pricing. That most likely has more of an influence than any lost magical formulation from a mythical golden age.

ROY-GBP said on Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 16:47...

There is a lot of misinformation on Joe Miller and PWD/GLP here. There is no evidence Joe committed suicide. He was not producing amyl (which would be an FDA issue). Rush and the rest of the PWD brands have been IBN for the most part since day one. It was never amyl. Amyl and its superpowers is nothing but misguided lore. The raid on PWD and a few other places was a combined effort of 3 or 4 agencies. US Customs, USPS and some others. The only thing they took was records. They left pallets of product at Harding St and it was sold later by the people who took over in 2013. Good sources say that the biggest issue was that GLP was producing JJ and JJ PLAT with labels claiming amyl. They simply copied the LR Marketing CA labels, the original JJ developer. They may have also been retailing product and shipping via USPS. Additionally PWD had previously paid a couple of $10k fines for improper paperwork/undeclared exports. In the end nothing become of the raids or the investigations.