Alkyl Nitrite preparation guide
Posted on Poppers Guide's Forum
Topic created by The Professor
on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 19:51
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 19:51...
While I re-organize the PopperMakers subreddit, I've culled the wiki. I'm making adjustment to it from prior author popchef, but here it is, so far.
You'll notice that I make NO claims that what YOU produce will be fabulous, smooth, potent and non-toxic (as mortimer is claiming)
YMMV, incredibly, but if followed and continued (this guide only provides a place to START) it can lead to success.
I don't care to hear any back-seat driving from mortimer et al. I'm not doing this to infest this forum with more bickering; I'm doing this because many other makers have found it useful.
TheMaster said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 20:11...
Wow! Wholesale assault to steal away peeps to your pad vs a free open forum like this one. So now we know why you been baiting folks with dribbles.
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 20:42...
is it not available here? You should be able to saves it from the post above.
How is providing free access to it 'baiting' anyone?
Charlie Chuckles said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 21:04...
I am Immensely appreciative of this. I cannot wait to read through this.
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 21:36...
let me know if you have any problems accessing it; otherwise TheMaster is just posting nonsense
TheMaster said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 21:55...
Thief! The reason you have come into this forum is to steal folks away. You whore! MrKnowItAll - your reddit is dead so now you have a new spin where you want to pimp your subpar crap to the unsuspecting. Reason you never were able to spin up your estore was that your results are crap and don't have any shelf life. Why you as selling drams instead of respective sized bottles. One use wonder. Ha! Open cap and it is shit within the half hour. You are just a bag of super-nitrosated pure adulterated crap.
http://poppersguide.com/forum/11676: PopperChef or whatever flavor he is today:
There's also a forum at the site; a very limited one, but it does allow for conversations to take place.
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 22:16...
TheMaster appears to be having a thrombo......
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 22:20...
The REASON I'll be selling vials is because nitrites store longer in low headspace containers.
The estore NEVER 'spun up' it was a work in progress that I am taking over; there have been ZERO sales, and nothing has been distributed to ANYONE other than the dozen local friends that I make nitrites for.
You and mortimer would make a good pair with your out-of-nowhere deceit/
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 22:23...
you are right in that my product is super-saturated (a desired outcome), but incorrect in your out-of-the-ass declaration that it goes 'shit in a half hour'.
My nitrites stay potent, viable and smooth, at room temperature, and with exposure to oxygen, for more than 3 months.
Charlie Chuckles said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 22:33...
I really appreciate this document - it is not only a concise embodiment of information sprinkled around the web, but it also comes with care paid to detail from experience, and fills in the gaps left with widely-available information. I am so thankful for this document (my prayers were answered)! I can tell you as someone who has been researching this blindly, it would save a novice many, many, many whole days of leg work just to gather the information into one place - not to mention that information would lack the experience and thoroughness this document includes. I don't have a science background, so it has probably taken me longer than many to digest and concentrate the information since I come at this with a significant learning curve.
Please again excuse my naivete in asking this question about equipment. I saw an extension tube mentioned for the dropping funnel (top of page 6). Is that referring to the standard stem on the dropping funnel or is some kind of an additional tube beyond the stem advised?
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 22:39...
there are many wa
The Professor said on Fri, 17 Sep 2021 at 23:06...
there are many methods to get the dropping funnel to submerge below the surface, and into the water layer of the reaction chamber. some use tubing and a peristaltic pump.
This writeup is intended to get an at home DIY maker as few high cost items as possible; for a liquid batch process, a glass extension tube works nicely; this is an additional piece of glassware (just make sure that the joint is the same size as your dropping funnel)
here's a pic of what I was doing (I'm doing vapor phase prep now, a whole other ball of wax)
this dropping funnel has a pressure equalizing stopcock, which makes setting a drip rate easier. you can see that I keep it closed though, and that's so the liquid drops all the way DOWN to the bottom of the extension tube before it hits liquid; if I open the pressure equalizer, the liquid will rise to the top of the extension tube, and no longer drop down into the water phase (also, heat builds up in the tube).
It's a bit more fiddly than doing it the other way, since the drip rate stopcock will have to be adjusted periodically.
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 00:24...
Just beware of all the side reactions that are bound to happen. Don't worry....ignorance will be bliss because you won't have a clue what all the inevitable nasty impurities will be and rest assured, you won't be able to get them all out with salt water. The first thing you'll notice is that over time, after completing many reactions, the odor of your product will change. Then you'll notice differences in effects. Then you'll be scratching your ass and head, wondering what the hell is going on. You won't have any way to QC anything or analyze what you have made, so you'll just be guessing.
Charlie Chuckles said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 00:46...
Thank you for your answer with such clarity. You answered questions that have been simmering in my mind for some time. I was wondering how the actual dropping below the surface would occur in the presence or absence of a pressure equalizing funnel, but now, this is one less thing that I will have to learn on my own, and probably saved me money in the end as well since I was originally going to attempt without.
I noticed that (helpful) imgur photo of the dropping funnel has "164 Views•1h." Wow. 1 hour?
Charlie Chuckles said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 00:53...
Correction: I believe that I now realize your funnel setup would be the same as a non-pressure equalizing funnel. I believe I had not comprehended your post correctly at first.
If I were to buy a dropping funnel, I am now assuming a non-pressure equalizing funnel will suffice, judging by the closed pressure equalizer stopcock.
The Professor said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 01:01...
scratching one's head and wondering what went to hell is your DOMAIN; this guide was creatye with the express intent to help people get CONTROL of their reaction; something yo NEVER were able to do.
Thanks for playing though, amusing as always.
The Professor said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 01:03...
I bought one that did have the pressure equalizer, and it CAN be handy for other preparations, but for dropping below a surface, a regular dropping funnel (or EQ'ing one with closed stopcock) would be sufficient
The Professor said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 01:07...
And, see what I mean about 'expect to be interrupted' by coo coos, naysayers, junkies, posers and haters (like ken, and somehow now also theMaster, and his various aliases here.
At least poppersaromas sticks to their ONE screen name; they don't lurk, expecting a secret to stumble out so they can exploit it (like artisanal does)
Canuck SB said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 06:27...
I love the info your putting out and Couldn't care less what others have prepd the three blend you make sounds amazing if ur store is ever up and running im in canada would love to try it out
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 12:10...
@Canuck...I was once desperate too...after Joe Miller died in 2010. I'm no longer desperate and I know a whole lot more from thousands upon thousands of reactions and testing every single one of them for both odor and effects.
The Professor gives out false assurances and doesn't speak of the inevitable pitfalls. And HE NEVER stresses how nothing can be analyzed or QC'd. Without that ability, YOU CAN NEVER know the exact chemical composition of what you are sniffing for sure. NEVER!!!
The Professor said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 17:02...
I'm wasting breath talking to Mortimer guys, he is a vicious lost cause that makes things up out of nowhere.
He'll claim that Nobody knows what's in a bottle, I post what's in a bottle and it doesn't even slow down his insults.
He'll claim that Nobody can tell what they have made, what type of side reactions there may have been, without testing. I post an in depth assist of the degradation cascade, and he ignores it.
He warms others against their'certain disappointment' of they follow my advice; I mention how this prep digs a deep potential energy border wall that prevents side reactions, but it means nothing to his desire to confuse annoy.
It's extremely easy on this forum for Ken and others with the same inclinations to hurl insults, from many angles, with several different screen names, but the results aren't effective, they are comical and a nuisance to others seeking unbiased knowledge
The Professor said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 17:04...
It's extremely difficult to get a meaningful word in edgewise with those conditions, but I will continue to do so as long as it's found useful for more reasonable people
Charlie Chuckles said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 19:57...
I, for one, sincerely appreciate the fact that you are unfazed and continue to offer your experience, and you even back it up with facts that are easy to understand and verifiable.
At this moment in time, albeit with plenty of naivete, I am inclined to believe that the synthesis of decent alkyl nitrite synthesis was possible for small upstarts even decades ago. At the time (20+ years ago), I was purchasing plain, nameless brown bottles in San Francisco at different leather shops and newsstands. These bottles stood out far and above anything mainstream at the time that was available like Rush. In fact, my friends and I used to buy anything but Rush at the time. While I don't have any evidence, I am inclined to believe that at least some of these plain brown bottles were from smaller upstarts that had limited resources to anlayze, etc. They would vary to some degree and some shops had better than others. The proof was in the bottle as far as I'm concerned. Those were the days. Nothing like it since IMO.
The Professor said on Sat, 18 Sep 2021 at 21:19...
just take things slow (slow is smooth and smooth is fast), and your results should steadily improve.
I don't get notifications on this forum if somebody directs a question to me, so if you ask a question in a topic, i might not see your post. It's best to start an entirely new topic to get my attention; that's the best I can do under these conditions.
Someone earlier posted their observation that bubble size will show you if you're headed in the right direction. They claim that large bubbles that float to the top are bad, but small bubbles that linger below the surface are good.
This is partially good advice; the fact they someone is able to see through the top layer and into the reactant layer demonstrates they are using a slow stir bar speed, which protects the reactants from exposure to oxygen (which is highly reactive, destroys yield and produces obnoxious side-reactions)
The part I take exception to is the small bubbles are good advice. the small bubbles are typically nitric oxide gas evolving out of the base layer. this is a waste of reactants. ANY bubbles are boiling away reactant, rather than letting it bond with the other reactant to create the yield.
IF the reaction slows down, or the bubbles are re-absorbed into the base layer, that waste CAN be introduced back into the yield, but it more often sticks to the dropping tube (as butyric acid, a paste like by-product (at cold temperatures) and the result is reduced nitrosation of the alcohol (it won't super saturate) and impregnation of the alkyl nitrite with butyric acid (not deadly on its own, but when butyric decompses (a shown in the degradation cascade article posted previously) it will lead to aldehydes (nasty).
Totally perfect result is NO bubbles at all, but you'll determine what's acceptable for you by yourself.
Good luck; making alkyl nitrites can be a very enjoyable and rewarding endeavor
€ said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 12:24...
Hello you Europeans. If you are reading this forum be safe to buy European poppers because the makers are professional and the companies are legal and professional.
In matter of fact there is no need to argue about alkyl nitrites. The effects are well known and the preparation is well known. And there is no mystical impurities in alkyl nitrites. There is no mystical side effects either. All effects are directly of the mechanism how the alkyl nitrites work in the human body. Those effects cannot be avoided.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 13:17...
I am a certified lab worker. Quality control standards dictate that reagents and reactions be tested on a regular basis. The more often tests are conducted, the higher the QC standards. Just because one batch passes QC, does NOT mean every subsequent batch will pass QC. Nor does it mean that someone else miles away will have the same results using different reagents, but similar mixing techniques, or even the same reagents and similar mixing techniques. A good chemist/lab technician NEVER assumes anything. That's why there are strict QC protocols, none of which have been adopted by the Professor.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 13:21...
Ideally, you would perform QC on every product batch. The reagents should be QC'd upon receipt and periodically after that. Absent QC, there is no way to determine what the precise chemical composition is, how pure it is, etc. etc.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 13:25...
Furthermore, if one cannot perform QC, tests for purity, then troubleshooting becomes impossible. QC functions as a way to identify problems when they arise. A chemist relies upon analyzers and QC techniques to narrow down issues with product when they occur.
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 15:46...
Keep banging that chicken Morty. I DO test my results, that's how I was able to correlate the presence of a specific decomposition product to a specific flaw in the apparatus or procedure.
Otherwise, I WOULD be guessing (like you have been doing for 12 years, hovering over a pot at room temperature, introducing reactants with an eye dropper).
If the apparatus and procedure is under control (continuous and steady introduction of reactants at a precise rate), then, and this is not isolated to the chemistry of alkyl nitrites, it's applicable to ANY manufacturing process; once you get control of the reaction, PERIODIC tests are required, and periodic testing is what I do for anything I am sending.
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 15:51...
You forget that the guy that developed the preparation guide is a chemist, that he himself weren't through the prior QC channels, identified some major obstacles, correlated effects a layman might encounter (such as sweet aroma) with the presence of certain impurities, and wrote it all down.
Success is not guaranteed, but guidance on what to watch out for and how to avoid it is peroxided, that is ALL
The rest is nonsense
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 17:43...
peroxided is provided
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 17:58...
Using one's nose to detect certain aromas is NOT a good enough substitute for a chemical analyzer. And please inform us of how you QC your reagents and product?
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 18:21...
A nose is NOT sufficient, UNLESS someone prior has done perhaps 10 runs of a line that has a certain odor, sends ONE of them in for analysis, the analysis identifies a certain decomp product is high.
THAT correlates a certain aroma with a certain by-product.
I don't QC my own product; I send it out to another lab that has the equipment that I don't
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 18:30...
you HAVE heard of the term 'smoke and mirrors?"
It describes someone that obfuscates and re-directs, rather than illuminate
kind of like the saying 'blow smoke out one's ass'
'a wet turd doesn't hold its shape'
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 20:01...
By all means, post the lab results of some of your analyzed poppers, with the dates, the lab and the full results.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 20:08...
And please add your own notes to the lab results...for example...state the odor you detected with your nose per the sample's analyzed results and tell us how you know for sure that odor is attributable to the compound detected in your professionally performed lab analysis of your sample.
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 20:41...
post the results ANY maker has given you!
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 20:50...
THe data logging section of my guide shows how one can do the same THING, with their own trial runs; I don't shove my method down anybody's throat, just outline a method.
If you want me to show you my PERSONAL notations and test results, I'd say, FIRST reply to the MANY direct questions I have asked you that have gone unanswered.
Start with your demand that nitrous acid's super-saturation point is at O celcius, as you have claimed elsewhere (when popchef was explaining the reasoning behind the -12C cooling bath setpoint, and you (as usual) attempted to discredit the idea with baseless nonesense.
Then continue to answer ALL the posts in which I have aszsked you to provide ONE example of a preposterous idea you have promoted.
It doesn't work that way, morty, the onus of proof is not upon me to divulge my personal information.
And remember, winter's coming..........
justchem said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 21:17...
I cannot unterstant how a chemical reaction became a cock fight...
If noone want to say a succefull reaction (moles , temp , etc) how the hell you suppose to argue on professional base ?
I set my reaction , get a result , enjoy it for the time is good , and then make an other one.
Usually first day good stuff don't last long
A product witch is good after 2-3 days ,last for more.
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 21:25...
I'd guess that you are a reasoning individual, with an ability to think critically.
That is not the same animal with Ken; he makes things up to be a nuisance, and NEVER responds when asked a direct question, yet he somehow feels entitled to personal information while confusing the issues involved.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 22:11...
OK...so I assume the Professor has lied about sending so many samples of his product to professional labs for testing. It's quite costly so it's safe to assume he doesn't have a copy of any lab analysis of his own home made poppers.
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 23:07...
It's safe to say that Nobody is going to share proprietary information with an insulting, uninformed, exhausting individual who is focused on debating my efforts to help others.
Did locket room show you a GC report? No? Is it because it's none of your business, or are they lying as well?
It's NOT prohibitively expensive to have a sample analyzed, and it's NOT necessary to have EVERY product tested.
It IS advised to periodically test ones reactants and yield, to prove the integrity of the apparatus and procedure, and that's what ido.
The Professor said on Sun, 19 Sep 2021 at 23:08...
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 20 Sep 2021 at 13:50...
LRM isn't posting internet BS that claims 98% purity of amateur made poppers either. Only the Professor/Wetcotton/Popchef have made such claims and yet he offers up no proof.
The Professor claims to have no commercial interest in poppers and yet claims he can't give up his lab analysis reports due to trade secrets. Total BS!!! This guy can lie incessantly without blinking an eye.
The Professor said on Mon, 20 Sep 2021 at 16:53...
and you've also claimed that, because I post as prof to the same imgur account as popchef and wet5cottom that I MUST be them......when I explain that phl0giston is an imgur account common to ALL of the moderators at reddit's poppermakers forum, you continue to persist wit h the madness that I MUST be them.
Same denying reality while trying to phish for personal information.
if you've read ANY of the patents you talk about as if they are gospel, you'd see that the batch process is quite capable of producing a pure product; to get ABOVE about 98% purity (and some patents claim they get up to 99%) I had to switch to a vapor phase prep; but LOVE chemistry; it's not for everyone, and anything above 90% or so (EASAILY achieved through liquid batch process) will be very very suitable.
you miss the point, again, by latching onto an attack on ME, rather than focusing on the requirements of the nitrite.
Did I use the term trade secret? or is it a total fabrication in your straw man fallacy? oh, yes, fallacy is all you do.
good luck phishing
i did a good thing, i learned a lot, i'm proud of what i've done, and what is possible, and I will help ANYBODY that is interested, to achieve success.