Best way to use for anal and big toys
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Topic created by Jake-anal
on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 10:48
Jake-anal said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 10:48...
Hello, I love to use poppers it helps a lot to be able to have anal sex and take bigger sex toys (and even a fist hehe) however does anyone have any good techniques for using them for best affect to loosen my hole. I'm currently sniffing them every so often but read somewhere that a constant use might be better like a gas mask but not so keen on a gas mask but any similar ideas , thanks so much
Brad said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 12:55...
Sniffing them every so often is the best for beginners, constant use only for advanced users.
Why? To prevent tearing up your hole and worse, using poppers blocks out some of your perception of pain, etc.
Jake-anal said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 13:05...
Thanks brad, I have been using them for years but wanted to move onto advance level such as constant use
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 18:37...
@Jake...in order to derive a constant effect, I need to use a less potent/less toxic popper such as pentyl....even the hexyl would work. Yes...you do need to take frequent hits to sustain the max relax, but it's so worth it when you don't have to suffer the side effects of the more potent, more toxic poppers. I would only suggest isobutyl or butyl IF they were cut sufficiently and had no impurities that would make them even more toxic.
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 18:41...
I read that vegetable oil was used in early poppers to reduce volatility...I don't know if this also reduced toxic effects or at least slowed them down. I do know for a fact that both my homebrew IBN and BN and professionaly made 95% IBN and BN made my blood pressure plunge without recovery in a very short time period...of only 5 to 10 minutes. Not always....but enough to serve as a warning of what to be wary of when hitting IBN and BN.
The Professor said on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 at 23:32...
Let's not conflate the word Toxic (as in poisonous to an organism (often quantified by a lethal dose LD50 for solids and liquids, LC50 for gasses) with obnoxious (as in acrid or uncomfortable aroma)
I know it's too late for the dobby; he's doubled down on this for years with Popchef, but others may have a more effective reasoning ability.
With regard to TOXICITY, the longer methyl group and normal chain are more toxic than the shorter methyl group and isomer alcohols
By the standard definition, normal chain Amyl alcohol is the most toxic, with isomers (branched chain) slightly less so. as methyl groups are added (up from pentyls to butyls) the toxiocity lessens, and isomers are even less toxic again.
Compare that fact to to the obnoxious aromas from acidic degradation compounds, and remembering that they ALL decompose by the same mechanism, it's evident that a higher reactive nitrite, although less TOXIC, will have more molecules ABOVE the decomposition's activation energy barrier, and therefore will accumulate OBNOXIOUS aromas more quickly.
more toxic nitrites (Pentyls); will produce less obnoxious degradation compounds.
less toxic nitrites (Butyls) will produce more obnoxious degradation compounds.
The question becomes, would you rather HAVE to inhale a compound that is weaker and more toxic, just because it's easier to make, or would you rather be able to take much fewer inhalations of a less toxic compound to sustain the same and higher effects.
If you are in the second camp, as I am, then you should consider your preparation and method of use more carefully so as to avoid production of obnoxious by-products.
That's all I'm saying, and all I've been saying since day one. I'm not demanding that my product be handled with kid gloves to hide some imagined production weakness, i'm giving advice to ALL nitrite users as to how to preserve their product's potency, regardless of its origin.
lower nitrites are easier to make, have less obnoxious decomposition products. but are more toxic and have to be inhaled more often.
higher nitrites are a bit harder to make, will have apparently faster onset of obnoxious decomposition products, but are less toxic and can be inhaled much less often.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 15:00...
Wow....lots of pseudo science BS as usual.
Toxicity of a compound relates to how quickly it can "actively" screw up cellular processes, changing the normal to the abnormal. For instance, high levels of carbon dioxide can kill a person, but it doesn't actively kill them, it merely suffocates them by displacing vital O2. Oxygen, however, is a very active molecule. It's considered toxic because too much of it can actively disrupt cellular processes and kill the organism. It becomes a free radical that goes about messing cells up.
All alkyl nitrites are TOXIC to some degree. They all cause anemia and lower the blood pressure. They actively do this by dilating the blood vessels and messing up the hemoglobin on the red blood cells. And as typical, the stronger the effect, the more rapid the toxic effects build. It's just common sense that a stronger dose or a stronger form of a drug will have more rapid toxic effects, if indeed there are any to begin with, which there usually are.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 15:05...
I've already stated that the Professor pimps poppers via Artisinal and various sites. Since they are based in the USA, they can only make isopropyl and the butyl group. Therefore, they and he have ZERO reason to downplay the added risk to the butyl group OR to recommend a product(amyl) that they legally cannot make or sell in the USA.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 15:11...
Typo.....the Professor and his various sites have every financial reason to downplay any added risks that come with the more potent butyl group of poppers.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 15:17...
If Joe Miller's poppers, circa 2008-10, were indeed part of the butyl group, then his formula was such that it minimized toxic effects. I bought many of his USA based poppers in those two years and never did I experience anemia or low blood pressure. A Michigan forensic report in 2009 sampled 13 bottles confiscated in MI and said they all contained butyl nitrite. Unfortunately, not much can be gained from this report since all the compounds present or the purity levels were not given.
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 16:37...
Everything above is incorrect, including his takeaway from the street samples report done in Michigan.
Of course a more reactive substance is doing to have more effects; you are not dead from, for example, your misguided adventure into ethyl nitrite. Typo may have felt like your wanted to be dead, but you are not. The effects you call toxic are unfortunate certainly, but they were NOT toxic.
That's they major reason why alkyl nitrites score so low on charts you'll see regarding danger to human life of various recreational drugs. The nitrites don't kill you as effectively as, day, speed or heroin. Instead of killing you they just incapacitate you.
Still not a preferred experience, but seemed safer because you're not dead.
Remember the discussion you had with another chemist on Reddit? He talked about the blanched feet of those plan rats and mice. How they mostly appeared to have died, but they still had a very shallow pulse.
Everything else you've said is the classic fallacy reductio ad absurdum (reduction to the absurd). It's typically used by politicians trying to prove that their kindness ideas are ridiculous (as in, hey, you know, even oxygen can be fatal)
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 16:40...
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 17:22...
the cheese above ...."I've already stated that the Professor pimps poppers via Artisinal and various sites. Since they are based in the USA, they can only make isopropyl and the butyl group. Therefore, they and he have ZERO reason to downplay the added risk to the butyl group OR to recommend a product(amyl) that they legally cannot make or sell in the USA.,"
Found another boogey man to hallucinate conspiracies about eh?
Nobody is forcing you to make or use any product over any other product. The best nitrite for a person is the one that their body's metaboli8sm can most safely process.
I get that, for you, it's amyl nitrite, but i don't force that belief upon you or others by saying it HAS to be Amyl (as you've said several times).
In my PERSONAL opinion, Amyl nitrite doesn't have enough kick; the effects are interesting, but too short lived (and I don't want to end up hyperventilating from having to inhale so often).
in my PERSPONAL opinion, everybody should be making the nitrite themselves. If done right (and i've been saying this from the get go) one can have an extremely potent nitrite that hasn't undergone decomposition from shipping, and one that will store for > 3 months.
It has to be done right though, and so far I haven't found a manufacturer that takes the care required.
That includes artisanal, goldencock, and any other current production company (or individual) that I am aware of.
You can tilt at windmills to your heart's delight, but that's the long and short of it
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 17:39...
How lethal a drug/compound is...is completely different from a side effect or "toxic" effect. I've already defined toxicity, but the Professor has not...instead he's just confused the issue. ALL alkyl nitrites are toxic because they actively l lower the blood pressure, and can lower it below levels sustainable to life and they ALL cause anemia by reducing the O2 carrying capacity of the blood(red blood cells), which is NEVER a good thing.
The Professor has repeatedly stated by inference or lack of information...that the butyl group of poppers pose no increased risk of side effects and that amyl is in fact more toxic, but so much weaker that nobody would desire it. None of it aligns with what I have experienced repeatedly or what others have said on these forums. It's all a lie to push his product and his lies. He hasn't tried LRM's poppers. But he still decides to make a broad statement that all popper makers are producing shit poppers. He hasn't even tried them and he assumes they are shit.
For years, I originally thought the butyl group of poppers was the preferred alkyl nitrite, but after suffering from wretched side effects for all those years, and then trying amyl nitrite, it became abundantly clear I had been wrong. If only the Professor could evolve and learn, but he's sick with a horrible ax to grind.
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 17:45...
I would also add that the Professor chastises popper users when they sniff directly from the bottle....saying that this exposes the popper to too much decomposing air. He says this despite the fact LRM's poppers don't degrade quickly when used this way. He says this in spite of the fact that sniffing directly from the bottle was the primary way people sniffed poppers. I never saw anyone in a club use a mask.
He recommends putting a drop of his more toxic butyl group on a cotton ball and inhaling it via a mask. What this does is lower and control the dose so much that toxic effects might not follow as quickly. Instead of sniffing 10 or 30mls at once, it's just a tiny drop on a cotton ball. I've already speculated that controlling the dose, by reduction of volatility or lowering the dose somehow someway, MIGHT reduce the greater toxic effects of the butyl group.
The Professor said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 20:02...
You are conflating recommendation with mandate. Of course anyone can do whatever they want; I simply looked at the decomposition timeline, looked at the various lysing effects and simply stated "if you want to preserve the nitrite for as long as possible, dose from a device with high headspace, but store in a bottle with low headspace."
That's just common sense, it doesn't illustrate that, for example, Locker Room products (the amyls and hexyls) aree holding together longer because they are made better than the butyl groups of other manufacturers (or myself)
what it demonstrates is that (and this is an 'of course' thing (except if your name is ken jones eviddently) the lower nitrites degradation products don't build up as quickly as the higher nitries do.
lockerrom does NOTHING to aid in preservation; in their view it isn't required, because the product will be used up by then.
IF lockerroom used higher reactivity nitrites, they'd either be in the same boat as other manufacturers (product that progressively gets more and more obnoxious to inhale), or they'd have to include provisions for dealing with the decomp products.
I'm not saying that what I do is the best around, I'm saying I deal with the decomposition products.
My nitrite is a blend of Butyl alcohol isomers, excepting isobutyl (n-Butyl, sec-Butyl and tert-Butyl).
I produce with an apparatus that provides an environment that is preferred by the reaction's characteristics, and my yield is 3 nines pure, smelling like very pale ginger ale (NUBLU delta and alpha, the xi also has the crispy menthol-like aroma that tert brings to the table (if done right, otherwise it smells like finger nail polish remover (acetone)
after the prep, my product goes through a 28 day post production process, with a two-fold purpose. First, the product is stabilized to prevent gas buildup in storage, then the product is preserved, to sequester decomposition products as they occur.
A 30ml bottle of nublu will stay fresh and potent for >3 months. I STILL recommend storing in one bottle, but aliquot some into a separate device for use and exposure to oxygen and humidity. This is ENTIRELY up to the user, but some people seem to be interested in maintaining longevity for as long as possible.
with regard to gas masks; I don't use one, and i'VE NEVER SUGGESTED IT. Alkyl nitrite degrades the rubber, adding very obnoxious gasses to the mix. tHe same is true with using a water bottle as a plenum chamber; the PET plastic reacts with alkyl nitrite to produce noxious gas.
I don't suggest a separate container to concentrate the effects (although they do provide ample headspace for vapor to build), I only mention it as guidance to people interested in maximum nitrite preservation.
you'lll hear "What this does is lower and control the dose so much that toxic effects might not follow as quickly. Instead of sniffing 10 or 30mls at once, it's just a tiny drop on a cotton ball."
and again the above is an absolutely false declaration.
sniffing 10-30ml of nitrite as compared to a tiny drop on a cotton ball?
You do know that it's not the liquid that has effects, it's the vapor, right?
If one uses the sippy cup method (the container being likely HDPE, which is better than PET asit doesn't add obnoxious gasses) the concentration of VAPOR is much greater than the tiny headspace in the bottle; you are actually inhaling a quite higher concentration of vapor. Vapor is what you are smelling, whether it's above 30ml of liquid or a 7ml saturated cotton ball.
that idea discredits itself
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 23:20...
None of that changes the fact that from my many years of personal experience inhaling poppers, often times multiple times a day, that isopropyl is the most toxic, followed by the butyls, and then followed by the amyl group, which seems to have hardly any noticeable toxic lingering effects. IPN is also the most volatile of the bunch, followed by the butyls, followed by the amyls. Increased volatility no doubt increases dose, which is not what one would want if the actual compound is more potent/toxic.
The Professor said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 00:37...
nonsense; Methyl nitrite is the most potent
you are conflating, again, toxicity with discomfort.
Amyl alcohol is undeniably more toxic than isoamyl alcohol (branched chain isomer alcohols are less toxic than straight chain alcohols.
Any of the Amyls are more toxic than any butyls, since toxicity decreases as carbon chain shortens.
that's just fact, not my opinion.
on the other hand, more reactive nitrites will develop obnoxious decomposition products faster than lower reactivity nitrites
it's therefore a catch-22, the more toxic nitrites require more inhalations and the less toxic (but more reactive) nitrites require less inhalations, but get nasty smelling more quickly.
There is a sweet spot, and for many it's the Butyls
All it takes is to consider, understand and address the un-desired decomposition products.
You haven't done that (your described experience with making the butyls (sweet aromas even when fresh) reveals that you have never inhaled a butyl based nitrite that was prepp'd, stabilized and preserved.). The isopropyls that you make have the same issue; sweet aromas (indicitative oif nitRATes) and even the ethyl that you made (which should have been a gas, but was a liquid for you) was NOT ethyl nitrite.
Ethyl nitrite is part of a flu remedy called Witdulsies. It's sold in pharmacies. If it were deadly, it wouldn't be available at pharmacies.
you are/were making nitRITes heavily corrupted by nitRATes. Nitrates are much more reactive, and much more toxic.
All of your complaining about how toxic anything above amyl is can be traced to your poor preparation techniques, and subsequent body damage you've done to your respiratory system and bloodstream. sounds like you may have that gene mutation that prevents the body from dealing with methemoglobin also.
you might have more in common with Lord Brunton than you think
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 14:51...
You don't know jack shit about what was in any poppers I made because YOU NEVER tested them via GC or any other laboratory certified way to test compounds.
And now you are suggesting that isopropyl nitrite is much less harmful than amyl nitrite. What a disservice you are doing to the popper user community and what a disgrace you are to any profession!!!
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 14:57...
And haven't you already stated in your confusing roundabout way that alkyl nitrites are NOT toxic. The abundant inconsistencies in which you write strongly indicate lies upon lies.
The Professor said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 15:07...
Let's wait with the straw man fallacies ok?
I spend more time illuminating you're BS than explaining the reality.
Of course alkyl nitrites are toxic. YOU are the one with your persistent projection tactics that Thinks that a less REACTIVE nitrite (which contains a more TOXIC alcohol), is safer than a more reactive nitrite that contains a less toxic alcohol.
Thanks for being you; you've illustrated your favorite fallacious techniques (straw man, moving the goal post, projection), to everyone here, as you did at both poppers place and Reddit (and either abandoned the forum or were banned in both cases)
The Professor said on Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 15:30...
I forgot, you like to use the fallacy 'reduction to the absurd' also.
Quite a bit
Canuck SB said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 06:10...
In my experience with life if i already hold a full cup well...We all know how that goes!
Being open to trying peoples techniques and acquire the same results as they describe is the key until that tek is mastered why move on...
DIY in this sense is better than ant otc poppers imo(maybe not for some people who live in fear and lack common sense)because of many reasons one be flight travel the other being environmental not to ment incomplete prep procedure ect.,
Canuck SB said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 06:12...
Typo ant=any obviously
Canuck SB said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 06:20...
And before anyone asks have i ever prepd my own no
Unfortunately but as soon as a hobbyist chemist in canada helps me out mastery is inevitable because im humble to the fact that i know i know nothing!!!!
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 12:18...
Oh the poor Popchef/Professor.....he sends out tainted poppers and demands love and adulation for it. When he doesn't get it, attack attack!!! The pseudo science BS he dishes out incessantly is enough to make Einstein scratch his head and want to take a flying leap(to get away from the quack).
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 12:27...
@Canuck...sometimes ignorance is bliss. Yes...it's not hard to whip up some version of the various nitrites at home. IPN will make your life a living hell with instant disabling side effects - that happen way before you go blind. Isobutyl and butyl nitrite will most likely be tainted and be more like death in a bottle than joy in a bottle. And trust me.....they are NOT easy to make. Once you feel the death in a bottle sensation, you will wish you never tried making them. You will be one very depressed muthafoo-ker. The amyls can be tainted/impure, but they are far less likely to seem like death in a bottle.
I would stick with LRM and experiment with Kcarb/MS4 and perhaps washing/drying to see how you might improve the experience of inhaling them. It's easy to get these simple, inexpensive compounds off Amazon....anhydrous mag sulfate to dry....baking soda or sodium carbonate to emulsify neutralize acids and anhydrous potassium or sodium carbonate to preserve. Get distilled water at the grocer.
The Professor said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 16:00...
Let's get a bit real, of Ken has reality in his satchel at all.
What imaginary customers Sam I 'sending out' a product to?
You won't respond, as you NEVER respond when asked a direct question. I asked you to provide substance to ALL of your BS insults (which are clearly as hominem attacks), by definition, and should be/works be named anywhere else.
How can you honestly think that after PROVING that your opinions are compromised by hate, that someone like Canuck SB above will take any 'archive' that you give them to heart?
You warm against N-butyl and isobutyl nitrite as tainted death on a bottle, for example.
This is likely because, in your OWN attempts (failures), you have suffered greatly.
Considering that, until isopropyl nitrite hit the scene, N-butyl and isobutyl were the main type of recreational use salty nitrite, globally, for decades.
Nobody complained about death on a bottle sensational, or blood pressure dropping so low as to feel like death after 10 minutes of use.
Yet you continue to bang that chicken, it's hilarious how stubborn someone suffering from dunning Kruger can be.
Typo: said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 16:02...
Should be named.... Should be / would be banned anywhere else
The Professor said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 16:02...
And has been
The Professor said on Tue, 14 Sep 2021 at 16:05...
Archive should be advice
My phone isn't putting what I swore on the screen, and I can't see more than a few lines on my phone, apologies