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on Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 16:32

nitritespecialist said on Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 16:32...

Well...my 3 - 30ml LRM from France only lasted a week. I even poured some off into 10ml bottles. Some were stored in the frig. So...the cost to buy is too great for how often I want to take a few whiffs. I may have to order more alcohol and start all over. Oh...the mess and the orange skin/nails and the variation. I did have better luck adding the sodium solution last...which is how they made the alkyl nitrite samples in the Pdf files someone mentioned, regarding gas analysis of street poppers and lab made. They really took a long time to make just 1 ml.

Toby said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 05:44...

This is bad news.

I'm still waiting for mine to arrive from France (to Australia). It's been 4 weeks now, I'm starting to worry that customs have them and won't release them...

Golden Cock poppers arrived fine though.

LaTeX said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 10:53...

@nitritespecialist

I may have archived a certain site..

Soln 1
97g NaNO2
122 ml C4H10O
375 ml H20

Add Na to H20 Mix then add IBA

Soln 2
34ml H2SO4
30ml H20

Chill Soln 1 to -2deg C ( IBA in mix helps limit H20 Freezing). Insert delivery tube for Soln 2 into mix so its well below surface of Soln 1. Start to introduce Soln 2 via control valve so temp of Soln 1 does not go above 1 deg C.

Once all Soln 2 has been added maintain mixing for 15 min, then leave in ice bath to settle.
Wash twice with Soln of 1g Bicarb 12.5g Salt in 60 ml H20.

Dry over Na2SO4 in ice bath for 10 min

LaTeX said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 10:55...

Organic Syntheses, Coll. Vol. 2, p.108 (1943); Vol. 16, p.7 (1936).
n-BUTYL NITRITE
Submitted by W. A. Noyes
Checked by C. R. Noller and B. H. Wilcoxon.
1. Procedure
In a 3-l. three-necked, round-bottomed flask, fitted with a mechanical stirrer (Note 1), a separatory
funnel extending to the bottom of the flask, and a thermometer, are placed 380 g. (5.5 moles) of c.p.
sodium nitrite and 1.5 l. of water. The flask is surrounded by an ice-salt mixture, and the solution is
stirred until the temperature falls to 0. A mixture of 100 cc. of water, 136 cc. (250 g., 2.5 moles) of
concentrated sulfuric acid (sp. gr. 1.84) (Note 2), and 457 cc. (370 g., 5 moles) of commercial n-butyl
alcohol is cooled to 0 and by means of the separatory funnel is introduced slowly beneath the surface
of the nitrite solution, with stirring. The alcohol solution is added slowly enough so that practically no
gas is evolved, and the temperature is kept at 1. This usually requires from one and one-half to two
hours.
The resulting mixture is allowed to stand in the ice-salt bath until it separates into layers, and the
liquid layers are decanted from the sodium sulfate into a separatory funnel (Note 3). The lower aqueous
layer is removed and the butyl nitrite layer washed twice with 50-cc. portions of a solution containing 2
g. of sodium bicarbonate and 25 g. of sodium chloride in 100 cc. of water. After drying over 20 g. of
anhydrous sodium sulfate, the yield of practically pure butyl nitrite amounts to 420440 g. (8185 per
cent of the theoretical amount) (Note 4) and (Note 5). If desired, the product may be distilled under
reduced pressure when 98 per cent distils at 2427/43 mm. (Note 6). Butyl nitrite boils at 75 under
atmospheric pressure, with some decomposition.
2. Notes
1. A stirrer capable of keeping solid material in motion and driven by a strong motor should be used
because of the precipitation of large amounts of sodium sulfate towards the end of the reaction.
2. The concentration of sulfuric acid which is used keeps the butyl alcohol in solution but does not
dissolve butyl nitrite.
3. If more butyl nitrite separates from the sodium sulfate after the first decantation, a second decantation
is made. Care must be exercised in handling butyl nitrite; inhalation of the vapor may cause severe
headache and heart excitation.
4. The same procedure is quite satisfactory for runs of one-tenth this size. In small runs mechanical
stirring is unnecessary since gentle rotation of the flask by hand gives good mixing.
5. Isoamyl nitrite may be made in the same manner and with approximately the same yields.
6. Butyl nitrite decomposes slowly on standing and should be kept in a cool place and used within a few
days or, at most, a few weeks after it is prepared. A sample which stood for five months during a warm
summer seemed to contain only 2025 per cent of the original nitrite. The products of decomposition
consist of oxides of nitrogen, water, butyl alcohol, and polymerization products of butyraldehyde.
3. Discussion
Butyl nitrite has always been prepared by the action of nitrous acid on butyl alcohol.1 The method
described2 is a modification of that of Wallach and Otto3 for ethyl nitrite.
This preparation is referenced from:
􀁺 Org. Syn. Coll. Vol. 2, 363
􀁺 Org. Syn. Coll. Vol. 3, 191

Billy said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 12:53...

Toby, what's your opinion of Goldencock poppers? Which bottles did you go for?

Toby said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 19:55...

@Billy: My feedback of Goldencock was:

Amyl - Excellent.
IsoAmyl - Quite weak but not terrible (I still got some enjoyment).
Butyl - Quite weak but not terrible (I still got some enjoyment).

And on the plus side, there were no nasty side effects at all. No skin problems, no respiratory problems.

I intend to buy again from them.

Gym said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 19:58...

@NitriteS

You wrote: "Well...my 3 - 30ml LRM from France only lasted a week."

So you opened all three 30 ml bottles at basically the same time? Why would you do that?

When I make a purchase, it's always four 30 ml bottles at a time. No more, no less. But I never open more than one bottle at a time. The other unopened bottles are stored inside an air-tight container which is kept in the refrigerator until needed.

An opened bottle will last me, at the very minimum, a few weeks. In other words, at least three weeks if not longer. When one bottle is finished or is dead/weak and the liquid has become unpleasant to inhale, I will open another bottle. And so on, so forth.

And on occasion in the past (and I should really do this all the time), I would immediately transfer some liquid from a just-opened 30 ml bottle to a smaller 10 ml bottle. I would then only use the smaller bottle during sessions, obviously saving the 30 ml bottle from being opened (and exposed to air) more often than it needs to be. I would then store that newly-opened 30 ml bottle in an air-tight container until needed again.

Lately as well, I've also been huffing -- I use a 20 oz. plastic gym water container (with a small hole drilled into the side near the bottom for air flow) with a small popper-soaked cotton ball inside -- which will also save a bottle from being constantly opened as the bottle is only opened once or twice during a session in order to douse, and re-douse, the cotton ball.

All to say that, in the end, my purchase of four 30 ml bottles of Lockerroom (Canada) JJ Black Label Extreme Formula (pentyl) ends up lasting me approx. 3 months, give or take a week. And, just so you know, I'm a 3-4 times a week user.

Billy said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 at 20:56...

Thanks for your feedback, Toby.

I received a couple of bottles of the Goldencock butyl. I used it a lot in two sessions over three days. Around 20 deep hits a day.

I was drinking red wine or beer at the same time which in a way heightens the experience, feeling more immersed. But looked at just sexually, it makes it harder for me to cum and leads to overly long (though very stop-start) sessions.

A week later I do feel short of breath and constricted, and with an occasional cough that wasn't there before.

If I try again it'll be the amyl!

Toby said on Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 01:32...

@Billy:

Yeah I recommend you try the amyl from Golden Cock, I was impressed. I've previously tried a lot of what's been labelled as "Pentyl" from various sites over the years (and pentyl is supposed to be the same chemical composition as amyl), yet the feeling from Golden Cock's amyl was new to me. It may be the feeling which everyone in the 60s/70s got to experience when Amyl was widespread.

I got myself in a horny mood, then I kept huffing for a long time and it really enhanced the horniness and gave a nice high. Amyl is very smooth, I seem to be able to huff quite a lot because it doesn't hit you with a big explosion like isobutyl or isopropyl does.

Regarding butyl and IsoAmyl, I said it's weak but I don't know if this is Golden Cock's fault. It may be that butyl and IsoAmyl will always be weak regardless of the manufacturer. I'd never tried butyl or IsoAmyl before (at least based on what is stated on the bottles or the website).

Billy said on Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 10:07...

Do you drink alcohol at the same time?

My sense is a couple of beers is ideal to heighten the buzz. But half a dozen or a bottle of wine is way too much.

I also stopped the sippy cup method as I think it's too intense for solo popperbating. And you can't take a proper deep inhale anyway. Though perhaps it works better with amyl.

Though I think the Goldencock butyl bottles have too narrow an opening and probably need decanting into something with a wider brim.

Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 13:40...

@Toby....both butyl and isoamyl are not weak if they are pure enough. N-butyl is especially potent, but it's hard to make and should have a decidedly sweet odor......and make a room smell like a deodorized locker room of all things. Isoamyl nitrite is what Everett makes...and impurities are evident when it has a funky camphor or disagreeable odor. When it's pure, it smells slightly fruity with no disagreeable odor.

Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 13:45...

@Gym....I dunno...I expected my 3 bottles to last longer. I didn't open them all at the same time. One bottle was hexyl nitrite. The JJ Black got a cat pissy odor as it started to weaken and go off. The hexyl acquired a lime citrusy odor. I'm going to try home brew again....it's much cheaper. It's about 60 bucks for 500mls of one pentanol delivered. My last brews were lasting 2 to 3 weeks opened at RT. I just don't like the mess and the variation and not knowing what I've ended up with.

The Professor said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 01:07...

@nsp said
"N-butyl is especially potent, but it's hard to make and should have a decidedly sweet odor......and make a room smell like a deodorized locker room of all things.
"

The sweet, fruity aroma is from acetic acid, a possible preparation by-product.

If you are making acetic acid, you are likely prepping at or near STP. The nitrite will be weaker and fall apart of it spent some of it's energy making acetic acid.

Avoid making acetic, and your yield will smell like it should (faint ginger ale) and hold together longer.

The Professor said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 01:17...

scratch the acetic; that's possible too, but the real culprit for fruity aroma is butyl acetate, not acetic acid.

avoid both

g said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 09:43...

In my opinion it is even possible that the camphor smell is on purpose because people very much like it. It is even possible that camphor is added because camphor has the same kind of effects as alkyl nitrites and in France they sell some camphor scented poppers. And it is possible that no camphor is not added but at the same room camphor is handled. Alkyl nitrites very easily take other smells.

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 10:31...

Nothing like the smell of old moth balls! Used by top fragrance manufacturers to give that sensuous hint of geriatric dementia. Old Maid Eau de Toilet by YSL is an example, incontinence pads, moth balls, halitosis, and a background of lavender. Sexy!

The Professor said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 at 21:53...

@G:

I suppose that a manufacturer may add a minty or camphor like aroma; I was talking about @Nitritespecialist's view that N-Butyl should smell like sweet fruit, however, and that's not the case.

An analogy may be with marijuana; those that partake are probably aware that the unfertilized plant is much more potent than the fertilized. That is because the plant has only so much energy, and a fertilized plant has to use some of that energy to produce seeds, etc. An unfertilized plant can use that energy to make more THC.

Likewise, a nitrite that has ANY type of smell has used some of the energy to provided during preparation to produce the aroma; any aroma is taking away from potential affects, and the 'sweet fruit' smell that @Nitritespecialist is getting belies a problem with his preparation technique.

The 'fix' is to dig a deep potential energy well and dump the reactants into that; the procedure assembles alkyl nitrite from disassociated ions; if the energy well is deep enough, the reactants can't climb out of it to produce anything else......no acetates, no acids only the desired ester.

Gone are the variations, leaving only the expected outcome. If you prep at STP or near it, your energy well is shallow, and you'll get quite a range of aromas and potencies.

Canuck SB said on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 02:30...

@The Professor
Not exactly how THC works at all,and if a male doesnt pollinate a female which grows buds there would be no seeds!During flower grown with liquid nutrients you have to judge by the rippeness of the resin gland in order to flush out nutrient salt build up then the plant starts to cannibalize itself using up it phosphorus and potassium reserve hence why leave start changing colors from that stage give or take 2 to 3 weeks till harvest,uva and uvb even uvc do play a role in the increase of cannabinoid production!i love diy i grow my own notill is the way but anywayz......

The Professor said on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 15:30...

@Canuck SB

Thanks for the info. I'm not a grower; all is heard before as explanation for why sensimelia is more powerful than fertilized was what I posted.

Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 22:14...

I purchased 25mls of 95% n-butyl nitrite from Sigma. I merely described its odor, as being slight upon opening...effects were very toxic - plunging blood pressure within minutes, yellow stained fingers and stinging nostrils. After washing with washing soda and drying, it acquired a very sweet banana odor and when left open in my room, the room acquired a very distinct locker room aroma. This has nothing to do with MY home brews.

Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 22:18...

I would add that the n-butyl nitrite didn't last more than a day or so, it evaporates and degrades quickly. But after washing, I was able to tolerate it well and it was fun. Had a big kick.

Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 22:21...

Regarding the camphor scent....I have made amyls that had a slight medicinal scent...somewhat like camphor/menthol, but this scent was somewhat pleasant. The funky camphor scent in Everest poppers was disagreeable and reminded me of TCI isopentyl nitrite. I bought 100 mls of it and upon opening, it had that funky, off odor.

The Dreadful Flying Glove said on Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 07:24...

funky, off odor....that is common from one manufacturer..not Canadian :-) yes it is classic with isopentyl nitrite and mixes containing that cheap ingredient.

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