H. Blitz formula prepchem
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Topic created by Nitritespecialist
on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 16:48
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 16:48...
I tried the above formula to make NAN. It's from 1928 and is very different from other formulas. It uses a lot more acid/SN/water and adds the SN last.
I got an excellent brew using these lesser amounts:
40mls battery acid(35%) plus 20mls DW(about 20% dilution)
12-13 mls amyl alcohol
12 grams SN
Use ice bath and cold reagents, drop the SN in small portions waiting for the brown gas to dissipate before adding more. Do outside or with adequate ventilation ONLY.
Wash in water twice and then baking soda/brine 3 to 4 times.
Has great effects and should preserve well with Kcarb or NaCarb and sieves.
This formula touches my theory that in order to make a potent popper that preserves, excess acid/SN/water has to be used - to force the reaction to completion.
NitritesExpert said on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 18:04...
It is more so that all raw alcohol has to be completely, utterly consumed. Otherwise result will be weak and degradation will be quick.
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 20:32...
@Expert: the more I make, the more I think you are right. But the excess amount seems to be far more than a balanced equation would suggest. And there will be lots of visible wasted Nitrogen gases, which is an obvious sign of wasted nitrogen. And there will be lots of bubbles, but the yield should be at least 80%, potent and long lasting after washing/drying.
NitritesExpert said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 04:17...
Precisely, there is allot of extra (wasted) nitrous acid. Some red gas towards the end is a good sign when keeping the temps down. It indicates all the alcohol has been consumed and the extra nitrous is breaking down into nitrogen dioxide. Also, if the nitrous is produced at too high a rate for it to react with the alcohol, you have nitrogen oxide omitted part way through. Another reason you need the extra NaNO2 and starter acid. You need to produce extra nitrous in case you add to quickly and/or then still have enough left to ensure the alcohol is fully reacted.
Nitritespecialist said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 15:09...
@Expert.....I just made 20mls of NAN using Blitz. So far the odor and effects are very good. I did see a ton of brown gas emitted, though I added the SN slowly and the water layer at the end was full of tiny bubbles...wall to wall bubbles. NAN layer was tinged green. Yield was good and color after washing was deep transparent yellow. Very mild, nondescript odor and thoroughly pleasant effects...deep ass relax and a general overall good feeling.
So....Vogel's, Noyes and Barrowcliff methods do NOT work since they don't use a ton of excess SN and acid.
Amounts used: 60 mls battery acid(35%) plus 30 mls DW
18 mls one pentanol
18 grams SN
Yield: about 17 to 18 mls.
NitritesExpert said on Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 03:34...
wall to wall big bubbles that seem to stick together and hang around at the surface is the result of by NaNO2. Bubbles that float singularly and float to the surface is good stuff. Also smallish bubbles that hang around between the lower layer and the produced nitrite is good stuff.
The text book formulas work but just produce mediocre juice that is OK for a couple of days at best.
Jacko said on Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 03:51...
Thanks both, very interesting, will have to try out!
Do you think this method could be adapted to HCl, or is it H2SO4 specific?
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 19:39...
@Jacko....I've long suspected that any of the textbook methods will work IF the reagents are of sufficient quality. I suspect this more now than ever.
I think the main obstacle is reagent quality and maintaining this quality for as long as it's going to be used.
Changing the ratios/methods whenever brews start to turn out poorly CAN help temporarily; but sooner or later the degraded reagent(s) will ruin brews, as the clock keeps ticking and as the degraded reagent(s) become yet more degraded.