Freshest poppers in USA, and where to purchase them?
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Topic created by lwbrg
on Sat, 6 Mar 2021 at 20:35
lwbrg said on Sat, 6 Mar 2021 at 20:35...
I live in USA and been having a difficult time in finding "decent" poppers! I know they're not like they used to be "1980s", but lately everything I've purchased recently was crap! Immediate nose burns, take one hit and they're done, stink, etc.. I've ordered from France from the popular p.a.eu/, they took 6 weeks to arrive, they were damaged in transit, and one bottle was completely empty! Of the few that did survive the passage, they did nothing for me. No euphoria, arousal, just instant headache.
At any rate, IS there somewhere to order decent poppers from a reliable source in USA?
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 7 Mar 2021 at 14:25...
@Iwbrg...thanks for your comments/reviews regarding OTC poppers. It's been obvious that for the last 10 years, the quality of OTC poppers has been "inconsistent" at best. I, too, would love to find a reliable source, but haven't found anyone who's definitively stated that they have found one. A reliable source will have consistent quality across the board, just like the old days. We must remember that back in the early days when amyl nitrite was being made by numerous chemists for medicinal purposes, that it was mostly crap too. There are journals that clearly state this. At some point, Eli Lilly and Burroughs Wellcome began to make higher quality amyl nitrite that was available OTC in the 1960s. James Alexander in NJ still makes amyl nitrite(isoamyl) in ampules, but I have no idea about the quality as it is only available by script. So, there is a known way to make high quality poppers, but I think it requires a professional lab with professional chemists. From my personal experience, I believe the sodium nitrite quality is paramount to achieving quality without the additional step of distillation. Sodium nitrite quality may be important for yield even with distillation. Joe Miller of PWD was no chemist. But he lived right next to Eli Lilly, a major maker of amyl nitrite, so it's no coincidence that he was able to set up successful popper making business right there in Indianapolis. Word is he had a chemist friend, who worked at Eli, who was able to get the information needed to make good quality amyl nitrite consistently. As long as poppers remain semi-illegal, I doubt any real chemists are going to risk their livelihoods for a quick buck.
Harry1950 said on Sun, 7 Mar 2021 at 22:03...
@Iwbrg and Nitritespecialist: As I have mentioned in previous posts on this site, I am 74 years of age and have been using nitrite inhalants relatively infrequently since 1972. During the past 5 or more years, I have been unable to purchase a popper product from a US, UK, or EU vendor that provides the same enjoyable, pro-sexual effects of the best poppers I used back in the 70's and 80's.These effects are: the chemical aroma is not toxic, it is relatively mild or fruity. A normal inhalation of the vapor provides a smooth and immediate onset of euphoria, relaxation of the anal muscle, and a mild pumping sensation in the prostate gland.
I have also been purchasing various popper products from P.A.eu/France over the past three years, and all of these products provide either no or very little euphoric and relaxing effect. Most of them are a complete waste of money.
Case in point: Over the past three months, I placed two orders for IRON FIST from P.A.eu/France. The label identifies "Amyl Nitrite Mixture". There are two CAS: 110-46-3 (1 Butanol), and 123-51-1 (3 Methyl). The aroma of this chemical is harsh and does not smell like real amyl nitrite. The chemical does not provide me any euphoric or relaxing effects, so it is basically useless and a major disappointment.
Up until one year ago, when I purchased and used Jungle Juice Gold Label [ Locker Room from Canada ] the chemical provided me a small pleasurable effect, but the current product seems to have been diluted and does provide much of any effect at all.
Some users on this site have posted positive results with the butyl formulas being sold by Artis Anal Cleaners (in Florida). I have sampled their formulas and they do not work for me. The "Flamin" formula caused me to see blue spots in front of my eyes for 35 minutes. However, for some users, these butyl formulas may be acceptable for their needs.
The iso-propyl poppers being sold in the EU are a serious disaster and major health hazard and I will not bother further discussing that topic here.
So, the bottom line appears to be that there are currently no real n-amyl nitrite "popper" products / formulas available on the market.
Lurker02 said on Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 02:54...
Please try out Flame from artisanal cleaners. It is the closest I've found to the PWD of the 90s and 00s. It gives a great prostate orgasm.
Harry1950 said on Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 18:21...
@Lurker02 : Thanks very much for your response and recommendation.
As I mentioned above, I purchased and sampled the stronger Flamin' formula from ArtisAnalCleaners, and it caused me to see blue spots in front of my eyes for 35 minutes. I was very alarmed and concerned by this adverse side effect and did not use the product/formula again.
I still have several unopened bottles of Flamin' and I will try sampling it again - in a small dose - to see if I get the same result.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond !
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 18:44...
@Harry...wow....you said a mouthful and I can tell you are into the popper effect big time, as am I. I'm no drug junkie either. Never touched meth, crack, ecstasy, dope....and I don't like alcohol or cigs. I only like poppers, when they are good, because they allow maximum control of the duration of effect...as little as a few minutes to whenever I feel like stopping. And the slight euphoria, dreamy, relaxed state and the ass relax/prostate effects can be very pleasurable. I have made thousands of various brews, all different ways, using different reagent sources, and I can tell you there is a lot of variation possible, especially for those of us who are attuned to the subtle effects of poppers. There is so much variation that I'm not sure what "pure" effects should be. I bought 3 different types of nitrites from the large chemical companies, but they are clearly not meant for whiffing without serious adulteration...such as removing acids, drying and preserving. So that clouds the assessment. The 95% butyl nitrite I bought from Sigma Aldrich was absolutely toxic until I washed the acid out of it. Then is was much improved and gave adrenaline rush effects with the accompanying ass relax. I got mixed results from isopentyl nitrite except to discover that it can acquire some very nasty odors. I didn't like the smell of isobutyl nitrite....a strong sweet nail polish type odor and it caved my blood pressure. Today I splurged on a new "legit" source of sodium nitrite....from a major chemical factory. Price was steep, but I need to see if this source makes a difference in product quality. I'll keep everyone informed.
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 18:57...
I would also say that when I get a stellar brew, it's damn near impossible to replicate. I once had a brew that gave me a surreal, dream like state, mildly euphoric state of mind that made me extremely sexually receptive. And this effect was very mental, lasted a few minutes per whiff and was not like a black out trance effect. I was fully aware, looking around and just going wow....I just entered a ZONE I wasn't in before. That was a stand out brew because it only happened once in 10 years.
Another stand out brew gave me an amazing prostate effect where it was like a magic electrode stimulating nerves I never felt before.
And I don't know if these are artifactual effects....or indicative of a more pure popper.
Harry1950 said on Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 01:59...
@Nitritespecilaist: Hello, and thanks very much for your response!
I have been following your extensive and very informative comments under several topics on this Blog for the past month, and greatly appreciate your significant insight and experiences !!
Like yourself, I have never used hard drugs of any kind and I do not smoke. I sampled smoking marijuana a few times back in the mid-70's, but the drug does not appeal to me; although I have no problem with the millions of people who do find it relaxing and enjoyable.
You probably know that the US, Canadian, and European expanding marijuana industry has been introducing various new CBD products that provide some degree of relaxation, but I don't believe they will ever provide the same euphoric and muscle relaxing effects as the best nitrite inhalants.
As I have previously stated on this Blog, I consider nitrite inhalants to be a legitimate pro-sexual drug, and I have informed at least two of my doctors that I use them. The best poppers really help me to relax during a sex session and greatly enhance the enjoyment for me, most especially when I am receiving a blow job.
I have had ED since 1976. Prior to sex, I use vacuum tubes for 90 minutes to pump up the size of my penis, and then I inject a strong tri-mix prescription drug to provide me a useable erection that can last for up to 90 minutes. During sex (oral and intercourse) with my escort companion, I usually take a popper inhalation every six to eight minutes or so. The brief inhalation actually increases the stiffness of my penis for a brief duration, so that helps me with intercourse.
You mentioned that you do not like butyl nitrite formulas, and neither do I for the same reasons. The smell is too toxic and unpleasant and the butyl tends to cave the blood pressure, as you mentioned.
I would also like to mention that after a 90 minutes sex session, I open a window and lie down for 30 minutes to breath in fresh air and bring my blood pressure level back to normal.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I enjoy reading your comments and find them very informative.
Harry1950 said on Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 02:04...
@Nitritespecialist Correction to my post above. I have had the ED condition since 1996, not 1976.
Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 14:46...
@Harry...thanks for the additional feedback. I'm 100% obsessed with poppers. I think they have the potential to make sex far more fun, without causing physical addiction or altering one's judgment/behavior for more than a few minutes per inhalation, providing for optimal control of the high's duration. For me, and I think for most others, I don't want to just sniff poppers for the hell of it.....just to feel some sort of effect. I don't want to go around, walk around or socialize feeling high as a kite on poppers. I only want to experience a popper effect when I'm engaging in specific sexual activity. If I could, I would be studying poppers in the lab now, trying to figure out the exact chemistry that provides for optimum effects and also the best way to consistently make them. All the studies up to now seem to have only measured heart rate, blood pressure and effect on muscular contraction. Nobody was measuring recreational effects, so nobody actually knows the best formula for the best recreational effects. I wonder if Joe Miller even knew. We can assume that a highly pure popper would give the best effects....say purity greater than 90%, but I am pretty sure that whatever the 10% impurities are....matters a lot. Acid, especially nitric acid, I expect to impart very negative effects. Water degrades a popper and impedes effects. It would take a lot of work in the lab to figure all this out. I think Joe Miller was privy - indirectly - to how Eli Lilly was making amyl nitrite....and that was probably all the information he needed to make good butyl or amyl nitrite.
Bruce said on Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 00:26...
Joining you on what poppers represent for me.
I don't do drugs nor alcohol nor cigs either (My brain does not react to theses with the commonly found rewarding system so i feel absolutely alien to these substances).
I only use poppers sporadically for very short and solo sessions only when allowing myself a small relief time in a busy working life, thus looking for this experience to be of quality and short.
My use could be compared to individuals drinking very few quantities of wines of excellence only for the rare fragrances and associated taste and not their alcohol effects.
I either could not find any good poopers appart the yellow french one (But lately got sold an old and stale bottle) and artisanal cleaners ( to an extent, but my latest samples from them seem to loose their potency very fast compared to last year's batches).
I have two theories on mind for myself :
First : I am getting old thus the psychological effects (pleasure, sexual crave...) are less felt (or totally missing) in regard to the only biological effects ( blood pressure drop, heartbeat, rush) which makes evaluating every experience worser and worser as time goes by because of the associated side effects ( methemoglobinea, after use cough, hangover and anaemia)
Second : The psychological effects are associated to a byproduct of the nitrite synthesis or its maturation (as in maillard's reactions ??)
A substance present in very short quantities and maybe only produced by certain synthesis methods or only shortly present in fresh poppers vials but extremely volatile or destroyed by oxidation on first uses ???
Only scientific experimental procedures associated with lab equipment like a mass spectrometer with fresh or matured samples could tell.
I have had read an interesting thesis work on the subject of qualification of different alkyl nitrites and their atomic properties, unfortunately despite explaining the synthesis methods including the base alcohols we often mention, they did not used spectrometry to analyse purity thus only assumed that the synthesis method where good enough in producing the desired nitrite.
The only spectrograph of nitrites i have seen so far are from Australia and only focused on detecting the common nitrites peaks, probably ignoring other substances because their graphs only show one peak for i.e isobutyl.
I also would be eager to know whether distillation makes a huge difference.
We unfortunately probably won't have consistant and high quality product until a lab professional with enough hardware and analysis methods is able to tackle the subject, but who's is interested in doing so, anyway?
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 16:50...
@Bruce....I think we are both on the same page. I have heard others speak of the "tolerance" issue to explain away ineffective poppers. But I don't believe tolerance is the primary reason for what are perceived to be ineffective poppers. If there is a tolerance, I think it would be transient, perhaps only lasting a few hours after a series of steady hits.
I believe this because after testing thousands of brews over the last ten years, I know there are times when a brew has very strong effects, and then other times when it's weak. Almost always, the best effects correlate to those brews with the most pleasant scent, lacking any bitter or acidic undertones. I am receiving a new and very expensive shipment of sodium nitrite to see if my theory might be correct....namely that the quality of this reagent needs to be very high to get good poppers without distillation.
Distillation requires some fundamental knowledge...a workable setup and the proper equipment. I have watched Youtube videos, but it would be better to be in a lab with a knowledgeable assistant to steer clear of issues a novice might encounter.
It's interesting that those who are making/bottling poppers for sale do NOT seem to post helpful information on the web. I spoke with the manager of Lockerroom Ltd. in Canada and he was very stingy with any sort of information. He said everyone experiences different effects with the same bottle of poppers, which wasn't insightful at all. He wouldn't commit to the claim that n-amyl nitrite is better than butyl or isobutyl. The only thing he said with conviction was that there are Lockerroom fakes out there with identical labels. He wouldn't even say with certainty that they make their own nitrites in BC.
Estrogel said on Sat, 13 Mar 2021 at 12:27...
Wow! This is easily one of the very best poppers threads I've ever read. Thank you for such terrific information. I imagine many of us learned the hard way by trying all kinds of things along the way...but what about Everest? Double Scorpio? For those of us without chem degrees (much less chem labs), there is still a consumer-level of opinion that might be of great benefit to readers here. Of course, now I want @Nitritespecialists 'Stellar Brew' that he (?) describes, lol...ah, yes...to sniff, perchance to dream...
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 13 Mar 2021 at 20:50...
@Estrogel....I'm in the process of proving once and for all that the SN quality is the primary issue with making inconsistent or ineffective poppers that don't age well and have wide ranging odor variations. Essentially, if the reagents are all of a high enough quality, it shouldn't matter which chemical preparation formula is used as long it's followed closely. There are at least 3 methods on Google. Just to make 10mls, it took me at least an hour or more.
But if the reagents, and I'm going to refer to my long standing belief that the SN is the reagent most likely to cause problems, are not of sufficient quality, then results will be highly inconsistent and continually trend downward as the SN continues to age/degrade.