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Why A "Bottle"? Use A "BAG" Instead!

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Topic created by We The People
on Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 18:03

We The People said on Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 18:03...

Please explain to me why this stuff comes in a container
that can only make matters worse every time you open it,
and even more as the product volume reduces within it too,
by occupying that space with the very dreaded substance
that causes product failure in the first place (air/water) ?!

Hasn't anyone noticed that ole wine-box ?
It has a bag in it, without any vapor space,
that decreases in size to accomodate,
and there is NO air/water exposure...

Adding a medicine bladder-bag inside these bottles,
and a thumb-pump similar to a nasel spray perhaps,
would eliminate almost all of the products problems,
right ?

Momentarily out of storage in the fridge/freezer,
pump out just enough for the current session,
back into It's safe keeping spot until later...

Why has this entire industry missed such a
common sense solution (Yeah, very punny...) ?

Thoughts ?

We The People

PJ said on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 10:40...

I am not chemist. I think that volatile nitrites expand and contract depending on temperature. Wine does not do that, right? So I think that a vacuum packed bag will split. Those amber / brown bottles are made of thick glass, I guess that is for a reason. The fact that amyl or butyl nitrite gives off a vapor brings with it certain downsides about how it can be packaged. The reason the bottles are brown (actually why not black?) is to protect from light, 'cus that heats up the liquid and makes it expand.

We the People said on Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 01:44...

Thank you for your time, and reply PJ.

I see the point your making about
the wine bag/box example I chose to use.

The pharmaceutical "Bladder" bags,
as I chose to call them for some scatter-brained reason,
only line the bottle's inside only,
the cap that goes with them has an open-air vent.

So expansion and contraction of product is accomodated easily,
and there isn't any vacuum in the product's bag.

Fortunately, the vapour release pressure of these nitrates is low.

Only the contents of the "bag" are,
led out the same cap through a stiff tube,
the tube's end is then outfitted with
whatever is needed for distribution,
needle-membrane for needles, thumb pump, etc...

Wish I could remember the real name of them these years later,
I'll ask a few pharmacists, they are required for some medicines.

Hope that clarifies,
and inspires other ideas for people.

PJ said on Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 09:40...

Maybe you should get a patent, WTP. I recall from previous discussions that there have been attempts at something like this before; I think it was some kind of attachment to the bottle. Your idea is new though. Some people propose not a new innovation, but a return to ampules (often called snappers).

We The People said on Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 02:11...

Your suggestion on a patent sent me hunting,
there are literally hundreds of these patents,
yet I still haven't a name for people to use...


I haven't been out to visit pharmacies yet (Covid...), sorry.

We The People said on Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 03:48...

I've opened and closed so many patents at this point,
that I could find the better one I'd rather have posted.

I am researching this in my spare time.

One search term that yields near-topic results is:

"Airless Bottle"


An example of a vacuum pump for them here:


They even come in dual chamber design,
for transporting/comparing two products:


These are examples of the idea only,
I cannot confirm a bladder insert liner...

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