nbutyl. how many snifs gives you blue lips ?
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Topic created by justChem
on Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 21:06
justChem said on Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 21:06...
After making my butyl nitrite ,I am wondering how good it is. I tryed with my wife and after 6-10 hits from the bottle it gave us blue lips. So am wondering if my recipe was wrong or this is what you get with BN . I am reading that BN is heavy stuff and can give those side effects.
For the time being I am sniffing my isoamyl and it is just fine (same recipe), but my question remains the same: Am I wrong ?
Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 16:51...
No....you are NOT wrong. All the nitrites used for poppers, except the amyls, are more toxic. They are stronger and more toxic, meaning the toxic effects occur much sooner and for longer. I bought 25 mls of Butyl nitrite from Sigma last spring. It made me hit a wall within 5 minutes and had to totally quit. But later I washed the acid out, which was turning my fingers yellow, and then it seemed much less toxic. Normal amyl nitrite is more stable than isoamyl. I make n amyl nitrite and it lasts for weeks with use at room temp. Smells much better...more mild than the other nitrites...evaporates much more slowly and rarely get the toxic effects that make me have to stop. BTW, the butyl nitrite I got from Sigma smelled like very sweet bananas...very pungent and sweet....more so after it degraded...
r said on Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 18:27...
The blue lips are not side effect. It is the main effect. It is the mark the product is working. And it is the mark of that's enough. And you don't want more because you don't any more get side effects. So when you are using poppers you want to get side effects but you want to avoid main effects.
I can say your product was rather weak if you could use it so much before blue lips. And your isoamyl is quite impure if you don't get blue lips.
Are you sure your isoamyl is isoamyl or is it a mixture of amyls? Because there are some amyls which are not working as poppers. The mixture of amyls is good enough but because of that people think that isoamyl is weak which it is not.
Nitritespecialist said on Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 14:41...
Side effects = bad, unwanted effects. Anemia is never a good thing, except in the case of sickle cell, whereby this defect offers some protection against malaria in Africans. Low blood pressure below a certain level....say below 100/60...is not going to feel too good. The heart will be racing to keep up the pressure and if it goes too low, fainting occurs and even death as in trauma where blood loss is great.
Lots of studies were done to test the "toxicity" of nitrites, especially regarding blood pressure and anemia. All the common ones can kill at high constant exposures, mostly from anemia, but I believe amyl was chosen as the medicine of choice due to it being least toxic of the bunch, while still being an effective vasodilator. I believe certain impurities can make any nitrite more toxic than it would be otherwise.
justChem said on Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 16:39...
my butan is specific Butan-1-ol
and my amyl is Isoamyl alcohol (3-Methyl-1-butanol) 98,5%
on BN recipe I used more butan alcohol (0.2 more mols) than stoichiometric needed , so I also believe that it was soft and with many residues (maybe toxic ones).
Now i am using almost the same mols for nitrate and alcohols (0.05 more of alcohol)
Maybe I will try to brew an other one BN , but I realy didnt liked it so much. Too much hit, makes me unfocus from my main reason to use them -have fun sex.
butyl smells good (like fruit) ,amyl is odorless when its fresh .
I used a oxymeter and levels was 70-75% .I didnt left anything (dizziness ,flatigue) on time, but next day i was feeling under the weather ,like was drinking all nigth
I dont get it with BN. If you hit it only 2-3 times ,that mean 10 maybe 15 minutes trip.Who likes 10 min sex ?
r said on Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 18:20...
Amyl nitrite was chosen for medicine because the raw material was easy to get. Fusel oil was the raw material. When alkyl nitrites are made of fusel oil the main organic nitrite is amyl nitrite but the product is containing propyl and butyl nitrites too. The product is about 70 % amyl nitrite and no purification is needed.
Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 18:12...
Most of the early amyl nitrite was contaminated with other chemicals, often because the alcohol used was not pure enough. Fusel oil is not pure enough to make amyl nitrite. Normal amyl nitrite is more stable than the isomers.
N amyl nitrite has much less odor than the butyl nitrites and much less toxicity. Hitting isobutyl nitrite hard and fast makes me feel drunk and disoriented without being able to feel sexual pleasure. Often times, I'll hit a wall where any tiny whiff of IBN makes me feel like total shit. I've never hit that wall with amyl nitrite. I've gotten a little tired, but never felt like total shit where I couldn't take even a tiny whiff without waiting hours first. The butyl nitrites are for people with very resilient physiologies and those who want to take just a few hits per scene.
I get good results using an easy to remember ratio....10/10/7.5-8.0
muriatic/alcohol/SN(food grade). I have mixed a number of different ways, but have found that I get the best odor and effects for amyl when I drip a very cold muriatic acid into a mixture of alcohol, SN and 25mls water, surrounded by ice. Puffs of blue nitrous should appear and disappear quickly in the churning reagent pot as the ice cold acid is added. Little brown gas should evolve. It should be vented to the outside and never breathed.
justChem said on Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 21:26...
@Nitritespecialist if you talk about mols , I use about 1.1/1.05/1 muriatic/alcohol/SN . But in grams is 12/10/7.7 (amyl alc)
I use exacly the same way of mixing with the same phenomenos
BN gives the same results. Good start but only that ...
r said on Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 10:22...
The normal procedure in synthesis is first to purify the raw materials to at least grade pro synthesis. It is more easy to purify the alcohol than unstable nitrites, So when the fusel oil is pure enough there is no need to purify the end product. And the product is suitable for pharmaceutical use.
With fusel oil you don't get pure pentyl nitrite of course. But you get alkyl nitrite mixture in which about 70% is isopentyl nitrite. And this mixture is called amyl nitrite in pharmacy. The nitrites are propyl nitrites, butyl nitrites and pentyl nitrites and a little some other nitrites too.
All organic nitrites are practically as toxic. No organic nitrites are stable.