N-amyl nitrite, #1 popper.
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Topic created by Nitritespecialist
on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 16:32
Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 16:32...
There is lots of misinformation about poppers and which ones are good and which ones aren't.
Before we can properly evaluate any popper, we have to know the chemical composition at the time of use. Hardly anyone does. And we have to realize that everyone will react somewhat differently to the exact same compound. All that said, normal amyl nitrite or normal pentyl nitrite, whichever name you prefer... makes the single best popper because it has the most mild and pleasant odor, at times akin to camphor, it has the least side effects, meaning constant hits to sustain the effects will not likely drop your blood pressure to fainting levels, while at the same time complete recovery is quick, happening within a few minutes. Isoamyl/pentyl nitrite is a close second, but it's not preferred because it degrades more quickly into a foul vinegar, dirty socks odor. We must all keep in mind that the effects of poppers will change as the popper itself changes over time. They are all unstable upon exposure to air, light, moisture and will degrade as they are being used and before if they are not effectively preserved. Acid is a common impurity that will make inhaling much less pleasant and sometimes more toxic. All the other nitrites commonly used to make poppers have stronger odors and are more toxic leading to quicker side effects. A few hits an hour might not produce noticeable toxic effects, but constant hits can and will.
PJ said on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 19:55...
An interesting contribution. Did you reach this conclusion through your experiences, or is it a scientific observation, Nitritespecialist?
wtfchuck said on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 21:01...
I appreciate your contribution, but I politely disagree. Amyl is the least Reactive Alcohol. Which means it is easier to DIY brew... But, Amyl also is known to produce phlegm cough at greater ease than say... Butyl Alcohols. For your money and from purely DIY experience... the Butyl Alcohols are the best bang for the buck in terms of 'trip' (Depth & Duration). Most importantly, the production of Brain 'Theta Waves' which are what a Trip revolves around. Personally, I find IsoButyl (IBN) to be the 'sweet spot' in terms of Single Brew Alcohol types.
For the even more experienced user, try to experiment with DIY from a Blend perspective which would employ 2-3 different Alcohols to play off the Depth and Duration perspective!
The best formula is the one that is most compatible with your metabolism. Molecular weight is a general guideline, but the isomers will also vary in vapor pressure. Least reactive to most reactive:
n- amyl (Pentyl)-------(any of the Amyl's are comparatively weak and irritate the throat more than others)
n-Butyl-------------------(the Butyl's are the sweet spot for duration and elation)
n-propyl-----------------(anything higher has potential for macular degeneration due to poor manufacture)
Again, the most reactive might not be most suitable, depending on your physiology. The lower nitrites last longer, but the high is lower, while the higher nitrites go much higher for less time. That's part of the trade off. Amyl is the easiest to produce with less contaminants, due to its lesser reactivity, so side effects are more rare (unless you are huffing highly degraded stuff air shipped from overseas) Amyl is a bit of a teaser, for me, in that it doesn't quite get there. The higher nitrites are a bit more difficult to produce well, but extremely worth it!
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 14:30...
Many popper users only take a few hits, so they are much less likely to experience side effects. In those cases, BN or IBN and even IPN, might be OK. When inhaling straight from a bottle, the odor of a popper becomes more important. Isobutyl alcohol has a bitter sweet chemical scent akin to grapefruit. Not especially pleasant. IBN can have a variety of odors, dependant upon impurities present, but when pure should smell very strong, sweet and similar to nail polish removing compounds. As it degrades, it acquires the "bitterness" of the base alcohol. Butyl alcohol has a pungent, sweeter odor than IBA, similar perhaps to an exotic fruit. Butyl nitrite can have various odors too, but should smell like sweet pungent bananas, especially as it degrades. When left open in a room, it makes the room smell like a locker room. It's very distinct that way. I bought 25 mls of 95% BN from Sigma. The first session, lasting not more than 5 minutes, brought on wretched side effects requiring total cessation. But after washing out the obvious nitric acid, which was turning my fingers yellow. I was able to have some longer sessions that were enjoyable. Isopropyl nitrite always gives me quick side effects unless I take methylene blue beforehand. IPN acquires the bitter scent of rubbing alcohol as it degrades....so not especially pleasant. I would say that if a person only wants to take a few hits, Butyl nitrite is probably going to be OK and it smells better than IBN. But if someone wants to sustain popper effects, such as a bottom who wants to stay constantly "relaxed", then N-amyl nitrite would be better as it has the least side effects when inhaled for longer periods.
Nitritespecialist said on Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 14:34...
Regarding mucous caused by amyl nitrite, I have not experienced this...certainly not more so than with IBN, BN or IPN. But I have smelled isopentyl alcohol that created a cough reflex. I believe mucous/cough reflex is caused more by impurities present. Amyl alcohols can and do degrade. When that happens, it wouldn't be surprising to get more throat irritation.
Anonymous said on Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 16:51...
As long as I can't find a good way to produce good quality butyl nitrite , I stick on amyl nitrite. Its easier for me to make it and with less side effects.
Butyl is much harder to produce. I think after reaction, a distilation is needed ,and I dont have the equipment to do it.
Maybe I didnt find a good recipie until now....
wtfchuck said on Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 17:29...
As far as sniffing directly from the bottle? I understand from a practicality point of view. But, if you want the best trips, you need to get a mask and experience Vapor delivery from that design. Just make SURE you are not using any plastic materials which will come in to contact with the Nitrites and become toxic. Use HDPE, LDPE, PEX (polyethylene) type materials, do NOT use PVC, or PET type plastics!! Also, a glass jar, not a child's 'sippy' type cup as you might see many ill informed users raving about. Glass as a container to hold and a design that allows fresh air to enter the chamber, flow over the dosed cotton pads and deliver the Nitrite Vapor more potently and efficiently. I have a couple of designs, this is the best I have and the materials needed (Glass Bottle) can be found on Amazon, or directly from within the pdf (blue links to 'Rubber Fun').
Here is the mask link - https://gofile.io/d/giZq5F
As far as sniffing from a bottle, versus a mask...
it's all about the headspace above the liquid. The liquid has a vapor pressure, which is very low, so it won't build up very much after the headspace fills with vapor.
If you dose from the same bottle that you store in, not only are you destroying your remaining nitrite with oxygen and water vapor, you also are NOT getting a comprehensive 'hit'. The headspace will clear within the first second, and after that, no matter how long you inhale, you are only sniffing a very small amount of vapors being emitted from the liquid (a typical nitrite's vapor pressure is only about 1/3 atmospheric pressure).
A larger container, bottle or cup, with a nitrite soaked cotton ball allows the vapor to fill more space; this doesn't take hours; just a few minutes, and the 'hit' is quite a bit more powerful than just sniffing from the bottle.
There are several variations of this theme; the most important aspect is to provide a suitable container (LDPE, HDPE or polyethylene, not PET or PVC). A secondary consideration is to produce cross flow of the air steam, so as to promote the vapor buildup by drawing air across the nitrite.
Rickard said on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 at 00:00...
Most interesting post, wtfchuck. Thank you, I hadn't thought about this at all.
wtfchuck said on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 at 13:02...
You're welcome, hope it improves your knowledge and experiences!
anonymous holland said on Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 18:34...
I am experiencing a cough, for several weeks now, and i suspect the poppers i use are responsible.
I always use the poppers EU-formula. It contains; Pentyl nitrite di-sec butylcarbinol, 1 pentanol) - CAS 110-46-3-EC 203-770-8
I use it sometimes ones a week, sometimes two times a week, and maybe take a sniff or 4 in totall.. during a 'session' if you know what i mean...
What are the best poppers to avoid these side effects? I worried that it won't go away, and this cough stays with me...
thank you for reactions
Nitritespecialist said on Sat, 10 Oct 2020 at 18:47...
@Holland....I read a recent report from Australia that tested a number of poppers from Europe. They said none of the poppers contained pentyl nitrite even though some of the labels said they did. Some contained "isopentyl nitrite" instead. From my experience, isopentyl/isoamyl nitrite is less stable and more likely to develop an off odor and cause a cough. Here in the USA, I use pentyl nitrite that I make. I never have a cough from it. The OTC cost of n-pentyl nitrite is much greater than isopentyl nitrite. I can't afford it myself. I suspect this mark up by Sigma and TCI is due to potential abuse of the single best nitrite. N-butyl nitrite also has a high mark up but not as much as n-amyl nitrite.
anonymous holland said on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 21:27...
Thank you for youre reply.
Whats is the "best" to use then other then isopentyl/isoamyl?
Is Amylnitrite a better substitute? Or Isopropyl?
I buy it on poppers-online.nl , a dutch site.
Jacko said on Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 11:07...
wtfchuck, great post, spot on advice.
I've made a couple of similar devices to what you describe and in my case found that a modified 15ml+ HDPE sample tube is the way to go. Incredibly convenient and efficient, with no chance of spills.
See examples here: https://www.thomassci.com/scientific-supplies/15-Ml-Sterile-Tubes
With an auger tool or metal skewer, (carefully) punch a larger hole in the bottom of the tube to hit from, then make several smaller holes in the screw-on cap to draw air through. Put a half cotton ball into the top of the tube, add a few drops of poppers, put the lid back on and voila, personal device.
Very cheap and easy to make another for your partner, or simple to share in the middle of things
joe said on Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 05:29...
@Nitritespecialist, whats a good brand for amyl?