Butyl vs Amyl Nitrate
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Topic created by rrrr
on Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 02:46
rrrr said on Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 02:46...
Anyone know what the difference is between Butyl vs Amyl Nitrate for poppers?
I'm novice when using poppers. I've only experienced rush & jungle juice and both were pretty good to me. This seller is selling factory sealed with iso-butyl. Is this a good quality chemical? More risky?
Crashing said on Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 08:51...
@rrr Butyl Nitrite is the one you want to use if available. Has the best head-rush and body feel over the rest of the products. Very little to zero side effects.
Amyl Nitrite would be a good second place. Also little side effects to note.
Try to not get too much Iso-Propyl products, these are the ones that cause damage to the eyes over prolonged usage.
Have a read of my short review, http://poppersguide.com/forum/11012; should help you out with your choice.
Anonymous said on Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 12:46...
Except for ONE thing. Butyl Nitrite (which replaced amyl when it got taken off the shelves in the late 60s...because there were reports it was being "enjoyed" BUTYL is not available - BN is now banned - it is all iso-butyl nitrite today.
>Very little to zero side effects.
LOL....that is not the case, dude. Coughing fits and dizziness to name two.
Iso-Propyl is crappy for some, but strong. Same with CycloHex. Side effects, yep.
wtfchuck said on Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 14:54...
Amyl is and has been banned for many years now, at least here in the U.S. Amyl was used more is medical usage to treat Angina and the original Butyl is more 'reactive' (stronger - deeper trip) in terms of intensity compared to Amyl. However, the Amyl trip might not be as deep, but Amyl has a longer duration effect. Butyl will take you to a deep place for say 5 minutes. Whereas, Amyl will not take you as deep as Butyl. But, the Amyl trip has a longer duration, say 7 minutes as a comparison to Butyl.
In terms of DIY (Do It Yourself) brewers, Amyl is 'easier' to prepare as the least reactive alcohols such as Amyl are a bit more forgiving than the more reactive alcohols such as Butyl. In terms of 'reactivity', Propyl is as far as you really want to take it. But, again even though Propyl is more reactive (stronger effect) than both Butyl and Amyl. Propyl is harder to brew, less forgiving that way and as an aside... Propyl has been known to be bad for one's eyesight so I would advise to avoid and stick to Butyl, Sec Butyl, tert Butyl and IsoButyl (IBN) in terms of a sweet spot in terms of trip effect and duration.
All that to say, as far as DIY is concerned, there are those who are still able to go to some lengths to acquire both Amyl and Butyl alcohols. I would offer you a way to acquire and try some pure, fresh, pristine Butyl Nitrite, copy and paste the following two links and you can thank me later!
25ml Option - https://www.ebay.com/itm/ARTISANAL-SOLVENT-CLEANER-ALKYL-NITRITE-MADE-TO-ORDER-FRESH/193585652179
15ml Option - https://www.ebay.com/itm/193638918460
TIP - Heat, Air, Light and Water are what kill Nitrites. This outfit offers freshly brewed Butyl, Sec Butyl, or a Mix of both for a very reasonable price and brew orders fresh. They also offer a cool pack shipping option for a few extra bucks for those still experiencing higher Summer Temperatures. That way your Nitrite arrives in it's purest, most pristine condition, which is the way it should be.
@wtfchuck said on Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 22:31...
The artisan that's on ebay, 2nd link, Can one use directly or is that for use in making your own, etc, which I do not intend to do. Just looking for the 'cleanest and purest Brand of amyl or "Butyl, Sec Butyl, tert Butyl and IsoButyl (IBN) .."
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Anonymous said on Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 10:05...
what about Pentyl Nitrite which is basically the twin brother of amyl, wtfC? and also iso-amyl?
> say 7 minutes as a comparison to Butyl.
7 minutes...oh wow...never heard that before. that must be like from those old "snappers" glass vial style? or you have this experience from modern poppers? 7 minutes...really?
Bruce said on Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 16:21...
I love butyl smell (smells to me like banana fragrance) but the ones I put my hands on where not really strong, so did not tried long enough before switching to more potent vial ..
Coughing, I canít remember will try again a long one to see.
Amyl vs Pentyls :
I may have not read enough literature to fully understand whether these are isomers or exactly the same alcools.
On míy corner of EU (effects on me)
Vials labeled as amyl (Everest / colt / radical rush...): chemicals smell / long to reach high
But less to none cough or hangover
Vials labeled pentyl (jungle juice/ Lockerrooms...) : chemical smell more intense / more potent in high quickness
1 day Cough / 2 h dizziness / 1/2 day Hangover
Isobutyl is For me everything up to (50% more)
Isopropyl is again more f#@ed up but reaching a plateau fast and terrible cough hangover the day after.
Now, I am reaching Methemoglobinemia very fast with these products, so my experience might not be the usual case, so : my 2 cents
wtfchuck said on Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 20:53...
Vegas Table Game Dealer - In response to..." The artisan that's on ebay, 2nd link, Can one use directly or is that for use in making your own"? -
Thanks for the inquiry, with either link (25ml or 15ml) you can order directly there on the linked page and the order will be fulfilled, just click the "Buy It Now" button.
Anonymous - In response to... "what about Pentyl Nitrite which is basically the twin brother of amyl, wtfC? and also iso-amyl?
> say 7 minutes as a comparison to Butyl.
7 minutes...oh wow...never heard that before. that must be like from those old "snappers" glass vial style? or you have this experience from modern poppers? 7 minutes...really?"
Haven't brewed, or tried Pentyl, unless some OTC product from the past was Pentyl unbeknownst to me? I have hear that Pentyl and Amyl are very similar in terms of the 'reactivity' factor. I forgot to mention, with Amyl you might find that one substantial side effect (if any) is a bit of a phlegm cough if you hit the Amyl pretty hard, as compared to Butyl. IsoButyl (IBN) is the alcohol that Joe Miller is said to have used with his Pac West Distributing (PWD) poppers brands. I have no way to officially validate and confirm that, but this is what I have heard as IsoButyl (IBN) is basically the 'sweet spot' when it comes to Nitrites from a reactivity standpoint.
Go ahead and click and paste either of the 2 links I provided for 'Artisinal' brand and if you really would like to experience some good product, go for it and you might find the 7-10 minute duration as quite achievable.
Yes, Anonymous, if the Nitrite is of a pure nature with high quality ingredients and proper post processing and preservation a 'trip' for 5-7 minutes is quite achievable, with a deep depth. The key to grading Nitrites is the effect on Brain 'Theta' waves and that can be graded by the depth and duration of the 'trip'. I can say from experience with my own DIY brews which go directly from mixing bowl to bottle with kcarb and MS4a treatment, that 10 minutes of a deep trip is very commonplace. My wife and I employ a mask for proper dosing and delivery of the Vapor and the trips are quite deep and long in duration.
Crashing said on Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 12:28...
@Anonymous, Depends on how hard you are hitting/huffing on the LBB.
I did say little to none, but YOUR usage is the biggest factor regarding side affects. All is explained in my Short Review. Multiple factors are involved when using poppers and solvent based huffing products.
We're lucky here, N-Butyl Alc is fairly easy to come by and is not banned. It is mainly used to manufacture a botulism anti-bacterial cleaner used in the food industry.
Vegasdealer said on Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 20:13...
@WTFChuck, correct but still confused if you can use it (sniff) right out of the bottle or if this is for mixing make your own poppers? Thank you
wtfchuck said on Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 18:04...
Yes, the links for 'Artisinal' (25ml & 15ml) are ready for use. They are NOT ingredients for making brews (i.e. alcohol).
Vegasdealer said on Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 18:25...
@WTFchuck Thank you for your answer, much appreciated.
wtfchuck said on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 15:59...
@Vegasdealer, you bet! You can also reach 'Artisinal' directly at their email, which is - firstname.lastname@example.org
popperass said on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 16:14...
As a popper maker and one who has purchased nitrites from come large chemical companies such as Sigma, TCI and Alfa, I am convinced that normal amyl nitrite makes the single best popper because it has the least odor, sometimes a subtle camphor like odor, it has the least toxic effects, which means you can hit it hard and often, and recovery is quick and complete within a few minutes, and normal amyl is more stable than isoamyl/pentyl, so it will last longer. Isopentyl/amyl degrades quickly into a foul vinegar, dirty socks odor. Butyl nitrite has a very strong pungent odor of sweet bananas, when pure, and can produce sudden side effects that prevent further hits. Isobutyl nitrite has a strong bitter sweet chemical odor akin to nail polish removers. It produces side effects rather quickly and a wall can be hit within 5 to 10 minutes of frequent hits. Isopropyl is very toxic, very sweet and somewhat unpleasant smelling as rubbing alcohol, which it degrades to, is somewhat bitter smelling. Ethyl nitrite will knock you on your butt after a few hits and you will feel like crap for at least hour sitting lifeless in a chair until your blood pressure normalizes and cyanosis fades.
wtfchuck said on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 21:05...
The best formula is the one that is most compatible with your metabolism. Molecular weight is a general guideline, but the isomers will also vary in vapor pressure. Least reactive to most reactive:
n- amyl (Pentyl)-------(any of the Amyl's are comparatively weak and irritate the throat more than others)
n-Butyl-------------------(the Butyl's are the sweet spot for duration and elation)
n-propyl-----------------(anything higher has potential for macular degeneration due to poor manufacture)
Again, the most reactive might not be most suitable, depending on your physiology. The lower nitrites last longer, but the high is lower, while the higher nitrites go much higher for less time. That's part of the trade off. Amyl is the easiest to produce with less contaminants, due to its lesser reactivity, so side effects are more rare (unless you are huffing highly degraded stuff air shipped from overseas) Amyl is a bit of a teaser, for me, in that it doesn't quite get there. The higher nitrites are a bit more difficult to produce well, but extremely worth it!