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Canít use anymore because of side effects

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Topic created by John
on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 12:03

John said on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 12:03...

I have been knowing poppers from the nineties as a solo pleasure routine with estim so the product is not new to me.

My last use without serious side effect might have been around 2005 with jj and kix.

I have since had cycles of stopping completely these for 2 or 3 years because of moderate sickness after using them and purchasing again for use of very small quantity 2/3 times a week for 2 month before halting again ( sickness /anemia) and disposing off the remaining bottles.

Since then when getting back after 2/3 years abstinence, i always get nose and lungs irritations, big hangover the day after and cold / flu symptoms for more than weeks after use with anemia-like symptoms.
Adding these side effects appear by just huffing a very small quantity of the product.

My latest attempt is end of 2019 focusing on amyls and isobutyl from both street reputable places and also bit harder to reach places (for isobutyl as i am in europe), i even got several chinese which were very interesting.

I surely enjoyed myself but even with very small quantities used for a few minutes of total use and few days between use, i got sick again with all the swelling nose chest pain issues, adding the following hangover and weeks of anemia sickness like after last session.

Everything but a small inhaler went to trash and i felt way better the following weeks of no use.

Yesterday, i wanted to test just one huff on my remaining cotton inhaler of amyl : Bingo ! Swelling nose and lungs pain, totaly fu**ing hangover with stay in bed and tired - Remaining inhaler went to trash.

Unfortunate it is, i love them but canít use them anymore because the side effect are exponentially high and long in regard to the short time of reward they provide even when used with extra care in mind.

I canít tell whether its because of me getting too old (47) and my body overreacting or the products getting really bad everywhere , maybe both.

I still wanted to believe that it was only related to bad batches, insuficient rinsing on the manufacturing process because of yield and money involved, freshness, the alcool base used ( amyl/butyl/propyl or isomers) but whatever i use the product itselfs poisons me and my body suffers a lot while trying to get rid of any damage of the harsh effect on epithelial cells and from the seemly biochemical effects of the nitrite and its metabolytes (anemia, immune system...)

Too bad we reached this love and hate relationship.
I will miss you little brown bottle and i donít think anything else will be able to replace you.

Radio Blah Blah said on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 14:29...

Four words: YOU are allergic to poppers.

IT IS what is known as an "allergic reaction"

John said on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 15:12...

Probably Something like that.
Crap i had no side effects before.

Midair Collision said on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 21:16...

too old (47)

Yes. You need to lay off the ciggies, booze and poppers. Remember when you could drink two bottles of vodka and service as many wenches as were willing? Wake up in a haystack, brush your self down, and go for a fry up? Those days are gone, John. Get a pair of slippers and a box set of The Antiques Roadshow or Last of The Summer Wine (whichever takes your fancy) Invite your friends round for a "wine and cheese" evening and start wearing a cravat. Adapt, say goodbye to the sweet pleasures of youth. If M&S still have their sale on invest in a nice cardigan and some bed socks.

John said on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 21:41...

Well, Iíd rather grow a beard ala zz top, learn to bike and ride with chicks than do the wine and cheese thing !

Midair Collision said on Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 22:05...

Don't knock it till you tried it. You should also stop reading left wing rags and get the Daily Mail. You can get furious about all kinds of "news" - and kick off with your friends while sipping Blue Nun.

>anemia-like symptoms

That is it, John. Poppers can cause something (a very big word I forgot) beginning with M. You feel like crap the next day because of the oxygen levels in your blood. I am larking above obviously, but this is something you got going on, mate. It is not common. I am thinking it might help if you take iron supplements and eat a load of things like kale? Maybe the boffins here can help you, but I recall it is a condition.

Embrace the inner Jeremy Clarkson, John. Join the rest of us :-(

Madeplentypoppers said on Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 18:46...

OK John in Europe.....I have had a similar serious love/hate relationship with poppers since 2008. Poppers were good in the USA, here, until 2010 when Joseph Miller of PWD died. I never had any bad effects from 2008-10. I thought those poppers were isobutyl nitrite, but police forensics reports from that period say all OTC poppers were butyl nitrite and butyl alcohol. I started making isopropyl and isobutyl home brew in 2011. Lots of toxic effects from those. Short term fatigue/anemia followed. Bottles I bought OTC were either weak/acidic or several made me sick immediately...total fatigue and low blood pressure. Long story short, in the end I found out that n-butyl and n-amyl nitrite are the best in terms of overall effects, BUT they have to be fairly pure and not contain a lot of toxic impurities. They still negatively impact red blood cells, but there should be a whole lot of pleasure first. You can become increasingly allergic to lots of things....as the immune system ramps up to attack the perceived threat. You cannot rule that out unless you've inhaled a very high grade of nitrite....presumably n-butyl or n-amyl.

Madeplentypoppers said on Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 18:52...

John...if you are really wondering what ails you.....try to get your hands on some USP amyl nitrite. They can be found in FirstAid Kits or beg a doctor to get some for you. Or....try some JungleJuice Locker room poppers...with the box and label saying BC, Canada. They've been in business a long time. If theirs cause you to be sick, then it's more likely you are too allergic.

John said on Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 22:11...

Thanks Madeplentoppers, i have purchases some JJ and amyl from several sources in France and another one which looked us/can export but came from eastern Europe with chinese fake instead. Not happy with what i got.

Amyl and butyl from my memories : No direct alcoholic smell but most like oil with no real odor then a little weak ę†fruity smell†Ľ behind but nothing serious...Then Bam! You donít know how or why but youíre somewhere else and maybe someone else for a few minutes, piggy slutty feeling with need to fill the hole and make anything harder. No running nose, no irritated lungs, not fu..ed up or stay in bed motivation for the following hours.

What i got for several tries in last 7 years including last month : strong Alcohol smell even for amyl, strong bad taste and smell on the 3d printed inhaler after use, Heart Pumping big, warm rush, slight ę†descent†Ľ (pressure lowering) but nothing on the slut / pig / numb / need it side.

So yes, i really need to try another level of product purity.

Brewing might be last issue but this needs investment on glassware and if i read correctly some of your posts, pure elements are hard to find and deteriorate fast when first opened. With no chromatography on hand difficult to tell if the reacted layer contains exactly what it should.
Investing much with the risk of producing crap reactions, not sure.

Always happy to read your postsí though !

Yogi Bhajan said on Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 10:51...

Seriously though John, I'm in the same boat.

Wrong side of 40, brain still remembering incredible highs poppers once gave me (for me it was around 2011-12), but nothing but terrible side effects and destroyed health from 2013-2018.

Coming up to two years off them, but my brain screams for poppers whenever I see porn, before you can say "substance misuse disorder."

My theory is that as we're getting older and our libido/sexual energy isn't what it was 25 years ago. So we need to find other ways to connect to it now that the drugs don't work and just make things worse.

Best answer I've come up with is swimming, weightlifting, a healthy diet, and a lot of yoga, especially Bikram and Kundalini. Why not try it? Kundalini at least you can do at home. All together now, "Sa Ta Na Ma, Sa Ta Na Ma, Sa Ta Na Ma...."

Guttrunks said on Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 16:20...

Greetings Yogi Bhaji! I myself have practiced the Eastern arts during a sojourn in the Orient. I studied under the esteemed Master Alou Gobi. I am an acclaimed expert in the Gnostic practice of Ouroboros. Those wishing to connect with themselves in a meaningful way, may seek out my wise counsel by leaving their particulars below. I will consider pupils whose physical dexterity permits this most demanding discipline. My terms are reasonable and I will consider group discounts.

Jako said on Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 17:08... said on Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:17...

Is iso propyl poppers wrecking your lungs? I can't breathe properly for a week after.

Madeplentypoppers said on Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 17:57...

John....anything from BC Canada, Lockerroom, will have a special label and say it's from Canada. I'm in the USA, so they won't send here. Be interested in knowing if they have side effects. I have called them and they won't tell me anything.

Any chemical company that sells nitrites that are NOT stabilized, will come full of acids and impurities. That fact that the heart ramps up indicates there is NO2 in there.....but might be some NO3 too...and lots of other impurities, including the base alcohol.

I've been making butyl nitrite with good success lately...the only expensive reagent was the alcohol...like 60 bucks for 500mls delivered. I used food grade USP, which has anti-caking agent...small amount and muriatic acid from hardware store. The trick for me, is to add a portion of the acid first, then a portion of the alcohol...to a 40% sodium nitrite solution. When I tried different ways of mixing, I got a bitter product with toxic effects.

Burt said on Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 08:46...

Poppers and middle age - like skinny jeans, not so good. best to leave them in the past, or occasional use. vascular health does not get better with age so i am thinking it is a young man's thing. can account for why the effect of poppers changes from what we all remember.

Ernie said on Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 01:14...

I agree, Burt. I'm thinking to (re)try mushrooms myself! I liked this article:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/how-a-jamaican-psychedelic-mushroom-retreat-helped-me-process-my-grief-96wkls3f7

Elizabeth said on Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 15:14...

Plaisir damour
Ne dure quun moment:
Chagrin damour dure toute la vie.

superhung dreads said on Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 18:15...

hey mr Guttrunks! you still shining them shoes good? i tell ya when we met i don't do that, yo...but you want spit on my DMs and polish up nice you can, man. i hope u find peace with your demons, man.

Guttrunks said on Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 23:06...

How do you do, Jevaun. How nice it is to hear from you again.

I have fond memories of our all to brief encounter. However, it appears that you are still laboring under a misapprehension regarding the actual facts of our time together.

Jevuan, I was overcome with fumes from the leather cleaner and briefly fell from my stool, and from grace. I understand from witnesses that my face may have then impacted ,and found soft repose, on your size 14 Doctor Marten Air-ware Boots. A fine English brand, if I may say so.

As I explained to the security guard (and you will recall) whilst it may have appeared I was attempting to "eat your boots" as was alleged, and cause a public disturbance, according to the citation, I was not. An accident such as this is perfectly understandable in a gentleman of my age, forced by iniquitous hardship, to be in a crouched position attending to your leathers with potent fluids.

As I pointed out to the other gentleman present, the use of saliva on leather is - as in "spit and polish" - well known in military circles.

I also offered to take you for refreshments by way of restitution, an invitation you declined with the use of unfortunate language.

I recall your somewhat stern demeanor following my other suggestion. I also recall your words, Jevuan, as I am sure do others who were in the vicinity of our encounter.

It is true that a 63 year old gentleman of letters, should not be pursuing a 24 year Rastafarian taxi-driver, nor demean his sagacious locks with lewd or bawdy suggestions. You were right to warn me that this would likely lead to a "kicking" from others of a less forgiving nature, as it indeed did, some time later in a lavatory cubicle. As I mentioned already I was overcome with heady aromas and may have been, as the youth of today might say, "off my bonce". The potent fumes of my own proprietary brand of leather cleaner may have led me to "speak in tongues". I ask your forgiveness, if you indeed thought that my offer to purchase your socks and briefs was in earnest, rather than the progeny of diabolical intoxication.

A most regrettable incident for which I, as the proprietor of Belgravia Mobile Footwear Enhancement Services, most sincerely apologise.

A complimentary boot, or executive shoe shine, awaits whenever you find yourself in the vicinity of Paddington Station. Alas, we are persona non-Grata at Charring Cross due to this incident and another misunderstanding with a sailor.

I remain, Sir, your obedient servant,

Guttrunks

Cider-Cat said on Sun, 23 Feb 2020 at 20:38...

shut your cake hole, Yogi Guttrunk! Enough already of your ramblings :-( Nobody cares anyway.

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