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Where can i buy real amyl?

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Topic created by Rainbow
on Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 13:15

Rainbow said on Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 13:15...

I was born way after the good old days of poppers. Reading the comments people talked about how strong and good amyl poppers were make me wanna try amyl nitrite so badly. I have tried all the new formulas here in the USA and they are truly crappy. Only one hit and they never give me the high feeling again. Also, after several days after i opened the bottle for the first time, the liquid became sticky glue and freaked me out. I would appreciate if someone could introduce some sources to buy real amyl nitrite. I live in the USA. I heard that Locker Room Marketing in Canada produces amyl nitrite for export purpose only. I wonder if some of you in the USA purchased from Locker Room? If so, how did you pay them and how was the quality? Many thanks.

Mam said on Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 14:12...

Locker Room sell their leather cleaners only through authorized dealers. The product contains pentyl nitrite / or iso-pentyl nitrite (I cannot recall which).

You will not find their products in the USA. You might find Jungle Juice Plus, a signature brand, but it will contain butyl I think. I read somewhere that you can find iso-amyl in some US brands, not sure if that helps you, but maybe. It could be nonsense, and there is a lot of misinformation about, but maybe that would suit you. It would be helpful if one of the chemically minded folks explained what iso-amyl is...

For the record: there are many here who wax lyrical about "the liquid..sticky glue" :-) Jako?

wtfchuck said on Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 14:26...

Actually, Butyl Nitrite is more reactive than Amyl (Pentyl). I would encourage you to go the Butyl route as it is not only more reactive. But, many of the old school formulas "from the good old days of poppers" were Butyl Nitrite. Amyl also has a tendency to cause more phlegm (congestion) and coughing after prolonged usage. I DIY my own Butyl Nitrite and would also tell you to look into DIY as a better, safer, cheaper and more satisfactory alternative to the OTC crap on today's online market. Even if these websites claim it is Amyl (Pentyl), or Butyl? What you receive often times could actually be cut down with waste products as a by product during manufacture. These mysterious "labs" out in the hinterlands do this as a way to maximize profits. They might claim you are buying Amyl (Pentyl), or Butyl Nitrite? Often times what you get is in fact Isopropyl. Most people have no historical basis to know how to properly compare the actually effect they experience. The Isopropyl crap is made with the same kind of Isopropyl alcohol you can buy off the shelf of your local Wal Mart. Most people know Isppropyl causes damage to your eyes with prolonged usage. Which brings me back to DIY. Why even deal with all that crap and deception? Just my 2 cents here, Man!

Rainbow said on Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 19:03...

To wtfchuck: pardon my ignorance, what do you mean by DIY and OTC? If DIY is a better way, i would like to try. But how do I DIY my own butyl nitrite?

Vollmilch said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 08:29...

OTC will be "over the counter". I only saw that abbreviation before in financial papers, so like an OTC Option, OTC Market. I think Chuck means mainstream manufacturers is all crap. I do not really agree with that but isopropyl is to avoid, yes.

Rock said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 09:24...

Some OTC stuff is ok but hard to find and lots of crap out there

wtfchuck said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 13:23...

Rainbow,

DIY = Do It Yourself, and yes, OTC is Over The Counter. Hit me up in my private email and I will get you some guidance regarding DIY. taylormadenetworks@gmail.com

Rainbow said said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 15:11...

Rainbow said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 11:37...

I read a lot of comments here saying that we should stay away from Isopropyl. But the thing is we never know what substance is in the bottle even though the seller claims that itís not Isopropyl. Any trustworthy sellers that donít deceive us? Please list them.

Dingleberry said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 15:44...

So where would I find a ďrecipeĒ for DIY poppers?

Neil Johan Coggins BA said on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:37...

An interesting and informative thread. I intend to include a character who makes "moonshine poppers" in my next novel. Currently he is only a minor character, but that may change. I would also like to see the recipe.

Madeplentypoppers said on Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 20:11...

I DO NOT recommend making poppers. There will be problems and you won't know how to troubleshoot because you are not a chemist and you will be inhaling something that is likely impure and containing any number of unknown and toxic impurities.

Amyl/pentyl nitrite is the least toxic and so you can enjoy it much longer.

Locker Room sells to the USA via European sites. You are going to have google more to find them.

wtfchuck said on Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 14:34...

Hey Madeplentypoppers,

You say..."I DO NOT recommend making poppers." ... "Locker Room sells to the USA via European sites. You are going to have google more to find them."

To put out a blanker statement such as yours is absolute Bullcrap. Interestingly, you end your warning with a marketing plug for 'Locker Room'. The fact is, OTC companies know they are screwing the public and are worried of an ignorant public becoming informed and knowledgeable to DIY and their shenanigans. This fact applies to damn near any facet of life. The truth is, DIY is entirely focused on harm reduction, both to your health, and your wallet. Commercial alkyl nitrites (amyl, pentyl, butyl, isobutyl, etc.) have become a dangerous, toxic experience. Learn how to make your own safely with DIY and mitigate the health risks associated with over the counter junk.

I've already listed my personal email in this thread and have invited anyone interested in DIY to message me so I can steer them toward a safer, cheaper and far more satisfying experience. To date, one person here has taken me up on that offer. That same offer still stands for those of you with discerning and open minds!

Madeplentypoppers said on Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 16:24...

You failed to mention one thing....there will always be problems and if someone is NOT a chemist, they won't know how to fix them. They won't know what's wrong. Anyone can read a simple procedure, but without a full chemistry understanding, and a way to test for purity, there will be lots of problems that the "simple procedure" won't or cannot address. There's plenty of disgruntled popper inhalers who are well aware that OTC poppers are highly inconsistent in quality as you alluded, but this POINTS to one glaring problem....lots of makers, but VERY HARD to get consistently good poppers. If it's not easy for them, why would it be EASY for DIYs.

wtfchuck said on Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 14:52...

Can you make a bowl of cereal, or a batch of chocolate chip cookies, provided you followed a recipe? You are really making a mountain out of a molehill here. "There will always be problems"? Please elaborate on these ever present "problems", based on your own experience. The procedure and lb equipment is the same, the ingredients are the same. The amount of the ingredients, based on a (0.50 mol) batch, are the same. This is a very straightforward process, rinse and repeat if you will. I have made numerous batches and have yet to have any "problems". Strike that, one batch wasn't up to par and I realized the most important ingredient (NaNO2 - i.e. Sodium Nitrite) was degraded. I then simply refined that same batch of NaNO2, again following a very simple refining process, and was able to refine the once bunk NaNO2 to a lab grade quality. That was the only "problem" I have ever encountered.

Madeplentypoppers said on Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 14:58...

You may be so kind as to direct us all to those OTC makers who are so adept at making poppers that they don't have any problems??? We would all like to know where to shop. Surely, as easy as they are to make, following a simple recipe, there is some outfit you can recommend???

Wowza said on Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 23:20...

Not wishing to butt in BUT the problem with poppers generally only started when the Chinese started flooding the market. They copy everything and that is all over the US market, right? I understand China products are crap. Why would PWD suddenly decide to change their successful brands? Like Coca-Cola suddenly saying "oh screw this we will just make some brown liquid crap and it will be OK" It didn't happen. You just need to know where to look, man! It is difficult sure, Chinese even copied the red cap Rush!

wtfchuck said on Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 14:54...

Madeplentypoppers,

We are going in a circular pattern here, Man. The entire premise of my posting here regards DIY (Do It Yourself), thereby avoiding the "OTC makers" in the first place! I was "direct" readers here to go the DIY route.

Wowza,

No, the problem with PWD regards the death of it's owner (Joe Miller). The formula they used when he ran the show was different than todays. Miller's death along with U.S. legislation against Amyl are the culprits. Even then, many of the "old school" poppers were Butyl as it is more reactive then Amyl.

Wowza said on Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 17:50...

>The formula they used when he ran the show was different than todays.

Oh OK, thanks. What is the difference with these 2 formulas? So it was Iso-Butyl Nitrite 4 Rush, Bolt, Hardware, and it is now what....propyl, iso-amyl, cyclo-hexyl, mix? which..

wtfchuck said on Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 16:26...

Wowza,

It's a mixed bag of deception. I had seen an article from an Australian publication which actually did a government sponsored laboratory study on various brands of OTC products to determine if the actual contents within the OTC labelled bottles was what they claimed. I believe they determined that only 1 out of the 4 products they tested was verified to contain IsoButyl as the bottle claimed. The rest claimed Iso Amyl, Pentyl, etc.. and those were actually IsoPropyl. So, they might label them as Butyl, Amyl, etc... but, what is actually inside is many times not what the label says. Here is the link to the actual study... https://www.tga.gov.au/testing-alkyl-nitrite-poppers

Wowza said on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 20:55...

wtfchuck: Australia is full of Chinese copies, there is a whole discussion about that some place. The Chinese put cheap iso-p into a bottle and don't give a shit if the label is bullshit. Oh...errr yeah and that is a surprise!

You said that PWD changed the formula. No they didn't/ iso-butyl in Harding Street and iso-butyl now. No change, man! Regulators coming down on amyl nitrite was in the 60s when Miller was not involved. PWD didn't invent iso-butyl, Hassing did. PWD bought out Hassing and changed to butyl. Joe Miller did not invent anything, he bought the company from Jay Freezer's mother when Jay died. So when those guys set up in Indiana then it was just the same as in SF. He died, yeah, not good...but his twin brother sold up and real PWD Rush, Hardware is the same it always was. I don't want a fight, man, but this is just wrong what you are saying.
Blame the Chinese fakes, not the OTC mainstream. Blame the adult store buyers who get a cheap iso bottle that looks cool for less money!

Madeplentypoppers said on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 22:47...

I don't know the long history of commercial poppers in the USA from personal use. But I do know how the various nitrites smell and effect. And based on effects and odor, the poppers I did buy in the years leading up to Joe's death were much more like amyl nitrite. I could take long whiffs for extended sessions and NEVER suffer side effects as I do with butyl, isobutyl and isopropyl. And butyl smells like sweet spray paint, isobutyl smells like sweet nail polish remover and isopropyl has a sickening sweet scent. Nothing I used in the few years before Joe died smelled as sweet as those.

Madeplentypoppers said on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 22:51...

And normal chain amyl nitrite has a very subtle odor....never as sweet as the others and not bitter either. It's hard to describe because it's so subdued. Not the others....their scent hits you smack dab on the head.

Wowza said on Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 07:24...

Butyl should smell like old socks, raw and pungent. Amyl should smell like tropical fruit, sticky sweet.

Original Hassing butyl was branded as Locker Room (like a joke on the aroma)
French / Canadian amyl was branded as Jungle Juice (like the fruit)

PWD had state of the art bottling machinery. Any significant o2 exposure in bottling will kick start degrade and create weird astringent aromas. The other factor apart from the bottling tech: that little white pellet. Hey! that was important.

This is 2nd hand info; but it kinda makes sense to me. What I never understood was how iso-pentyl nitrite fits with amyl. I have pentyl now, and it seems good without side effects, but defo not as hard hitting as old school iso-butyl. I see people talk about a "slutty" feel and I get that, it is a good butyl signature note.

wtfchuck said on Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 12:31...

Wowza,

For somebody who throws around alot of information, it still is confounding how ill-informed you actually are. As someone who actually used PWD when Joe Miller ran the show. I will tell you anything with PWD today is not the same. By the way, Butyl was banned in 1988. Didn't mean a damn thing as manufacturers could still blend their actual alcohols as a work around. Look up and compare Pentyl and Amyl, you might be surprised.

Wowza said on Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 20:35...

I will try one more time: CHINESE COPIES. Or even good old US copies!

"with PWD today"

& where did you get that "PWD" Rush today? from a bookstore? Check out real PWD product before making these wild assertions about "blends".

Even since Rush found it's position as the number 1 brand it was copied. Captain Rush (the cartoon guy) waged a war against knock-off Rush since way back. Phoney Rush used to contain cyclo and probably still does. It might contain a nasty blend of propyl too now, no idea.

You are now saying that GLP (PWD never manufactured anything before 2010) changed the formula post-1988 & that U.S. Consumer Products Safety Commission ban. That would mean that Miller did that! He didn't. What are the exclusions to the ban? I mean how were you enjoying iso-butyl nitrite post 1988? CPS ban was not a total ban on butyl in 1988, just a restriction on sale.

"could still blend their actual alcohols as a work around."

I really would like you to explain what you mean by that. I am reading it as: you say that post-1988 poppers manufacturers concocted some new formula? But wait: the bottles and the publicity all state it contains iso-butyl nitrite. BTW: I am not interested in online drama, I am just stating facts as I know them. Keep a cool head, yo!

Mam said on Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 06:21...

Nobody like a smart-ass, Wowza. The information you are providing is from zombie threads by THE RUSH HOUR and others.

@Neil Johan Coggins BA: No! you have done this before. Do not even think about it.

Madeplentypoppers said on Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 13:29...

All the OTC poppers I have purchased since Joe Miller died HAVE NOT had the same effects. So I would conclude that what's in the POST Joe Miller bottles is NOT the same compound in the same ratios.

Butyl alcohol smells just like sweet Krylon Spray paint because that paint contains this alcohol. I have Tokyo Chemical Butyl and Isobutyl alcohols...as well as one-pentanol. Butyl and Isobutyl have the strongest odors. Pentyl has the least. This is also true of the corresponding nitrites. I once bought a pentyl alcohol from an in house supplier and it did smell like DIRTY SOCKS...it was foul and degraded. Isopentyl nitrite is more apt to smell fruity....perhaps like bananas or a tropical fruit. But it also degrades into a nasty vinegar and fish odor.

No Limits said on Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 12:56...

Maybe you could invent a volatile nitrite that does not degrade when she hits the ambient air we breathe, Professor? Or maybe like a vacuum tent, with a scuba diver thing to suck on, would work? Too much. Yeah maybe....so volatile nitrites degrade, get over it. The one that degrades the least is isopropyl and so it has a longer shelf life, good for retailers yeah?!

Amylpop said on Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 14:00...

Not sure if it is really amyl but just placed my first order yesterday with poppers-aromas.eu
Already got an email this morning confirming the shipment.
Canít wait!
Had Rush mostly, and just tried double Scorpio.

Whatever said on Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 17:53...

@Amypop: I already tried several of their products and for me it was a waste of money. They are okay but I doubt that are genuine amyl nitrite. I have been a long time user since the 70's and I remember the effects of amyl nitrite capsules and none of the products I tried came close. I agree with wtfchuck that the problem began with the 88 ban. Rush poppers went straight down hill from there. Nothing but junk and dangerous chemicals being pushed as being the real deal. For those of us that remember the PWD Rush of the 70's, we know it's bullshit when they say "The Original Rush". I have been on a long quest to find something compatible and it wasn't until recent years I found uspopshop that is now defunct thanks to the owner deciding to set explosives off in his area.

Wowza said on Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 21:40...

What happened in 1988? Facts? According to what I read above the CPS somehow changed the structure of iso-butyl nitrite, as opposed to imposing straightforward sales legislation. Now, and here is something maybe, were you getting BUTYL nitrite in pre-1988 Rush? If so, I might see some logic here.

Those amyl capsules were one-hit wonders. How many came in a pack please?

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